scott kirkpatrick Posted November 19, 2017 Share #601 Posted November 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Main points in the LeicaRumors update: European announcement Nov 21, Japanese announcement Nov 22 same pictures viewfinder better than 020 but not as big as on the S no GPS, no IBIS Euro pricing given with US$ equivalents Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scott kirkpatrick Posted November 19, 2017 Share #602 Posted November 19, 2017 If you are still reading this thread you are either price-insensitive or actively hostile to Leica... At least this puts a good 24 MPx APS-C sensor in an eye-level camera behind TL and SL lenses. Will wait to see how the EVF quality (able to see into shadows, for example) and AF robustness holds up in early reviews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 19, 2017 Share #603 Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Leica CL, nothing embodies better the mantra “tradition meets modernity.” I don’t think they’ll win a design price for it, though. Edited November 19, 2017 by Chaemono 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 19, 2017 Share #604 Posted November 19, 2017 Announcement imminent but when do deliveries commence? Is there a stockpile? We will likely will not know until Tuesday. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted November 19, 2017 Share #605 Posted November 19, 2017 Announcement imminent but when do deliveries commence? Is there a stockpile? We will likely will not know until Tuesday. dunk And what about Billy, Dunk? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 19, 2017 Share #606 Posted November 19, 2017 And what about Billy, Dunk? Improvement to existing camera dunk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2017 Share #607 Posted November 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you are still reading this thread you are either price-insensitive or actively hostile to Leica... At least this puts a good 24 MPx APS-C sensor in an eye-level camera behind TL and SL lenses. Will wait to see how the EVF quality (able to see into shadows, for example) and AF robustness holds up in early reviews. Not just TL and SL lenses. What about R and M ones? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 19, 2017 Share #608 Posted November 19, 2017 Not just TL and SL lenses. What about R and M ones? of course. The adapters and supporting profiles for many of them have gotten pretty well shaken down on the SL. Let's hope they make the transition to the TL without problems. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted November 19, 2017 Share #609 Posted November 19, 2017 Announcement imminent but when do deliveries commence? Is there a stockpile? We will likely will not know until Tuesday. dunk My Norwegian dealer says the are able to deliver on launch date, but I don't know how many. I would assume that this means most dealers will be able to deliver some on launch date. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted November 19, 2017 Share #610 Posted November 19, 2017 If you are still reading this thread you are either price-insensitive or actively hostile to Leica... No, just amused at the speculation. With what's being asked for by some learned members, I suspect there is a high percentage of this forum who believe in Father Christmas ..... oh, no I've let the cat out of the bag. On a serious note, I await the announcement with interest as from what I've read it looks as though the (whatever it's called) could be an improvement on the T, TL and even TL2. Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 19, 2017 Share #611 Posted November 19, 2017 If the idea of an X1 with built in EVF and removable lenses floats your boat then you'll be very happy next week. If you were hoping for something more groundbreaking then it seems disappointment awaits. Next! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 19, 2017 Share #612 Posted November 19, 2017 If the idea of an X1 with built in EVF and removable lenses floats your boat then you'll be very happy next week. If you were hoping for something more groundbreaking then it seems disappointment awaits. Next! James, Why be so negative and judgmental yet again … especially prior to the official announcement. Your negative comments about the T/TL system are legendary e.g. (style over substance)n according to you. And it's this week ... not next week … please get your facts right dunk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 19, 2017 Share #613 Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) How many groundbreakers has Leica had? - Barnack (the first) - M3 (the M mount) - M8 (the digital M) - T (the L mount) Everything else is just engineering development. It's hard on Leica to have to produce a groundbreaker every time. Edited November 19, 2017 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted November 19, 2017 Share #614 Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) How many groundbreakers has Leica had? - Barnack (the first) - M3 (the M mount) - M8 (the digital M) - T (the L mount) Everything else is just engineering development. It's hard on Leica to have to produce a groundbreaker every time. Add in the system 35mm camera from 1931, built in rangefinder from 1932, motor drive (clockwork with MOOLY) and some others. The problem that the CL faces is if it does not wake you up in the morning and serve up a cup of tea, a lot of people will not be happy. I expect discussions on the forum later this week to resemble those between Statler and Waldorf on the Muppet Show. William Edited November 19, 2017 by willeica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2017 Share #615 Posted November 19, 2017 How many groundbreakers has Leica had? - Barnack (the first) - M3 (the M mount) - M8 (the digital M) - T (the L mount) Everything else is just engineering development. It's hard on Leica to have to produce a groundbreaker every time. Combined rangefinder-viewfinder (M3), Autofocus (although lost through misjudgement), blank-pressed asperical lenses, lens computer design(COMO) I'm sure I missed a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 19, 2017 Share #616 Posted November 19, 2017 How many groundbreakers has Leica had? - Barnack (the first) - M3 (the M mount) - M8 (the digital M) - T (the L mount) Everything else is just engineering development. It's hard on Leica to have to produce a groundbreaker every time. I'm not sure I understand the distinction between engineering development and ground breakers, but from a a market perspective (leaving lenses aside), getting a full frame sensor into the M9, the Monochrom, the T, the SL, the M10 (okay, refinement, but still), the M-D and the M-A (if producing a meter-less film camera in 2015 can be groundbreaking). The point is, the "groundbreaking" cameras are not so much scientific or engineering marvels, but producing cameras and lenses that no one else has thought of or had the courage to produce. The CL will be a fine addition to the L mount system, but it's ... underwhelming. There's not much about it that says "that's cool" or "I want one of those" ... Not for me, anyway. I'm sure for others it will be just perfect, and that's good too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 19, 2017 Share #617 Posted November 19, 2017 James, Why be so negative and judgmental yet again … especially prior to the official announcement. Your negative comments about the T/TL system are legendary e.g. (style over substance)n according to you. And it's this week ... not next week … please get your facts right dunk I didn't realise that I was a legend! Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted November 19, 2017 Share #618 Posted November 19, 2017 Who care if it is groundbreaking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 19, 2017 Share #619 Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Combined rangefinder-viewfinder (M3), Autofocus (although lost through misjudgement), blank-pressed asperical lenses, lens computer design(COMO) I'm sure I missed a few. The M5 and CL … first TTL metering rangefinder cameras and contrary to some opinions still in demand today … even though the M5 was greeted with negativity when first announced. dunk Edited November 19, 2017 by dkCambridgeshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 19, 2017 Share #620 Posted November 19, 2017 A 'pro' spec APS-C body from Leica would be groundbreaking for them. A made over X1 isn't. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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