frame-it Posted November 8, 2017 Share #341 Posted November 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) >> 台湾NCCにライカの新型APS-Cミラーレスカメラの画像が掲載されました。 台湾NCC(※開けない場合は拡張子を.pdfに変更) 型番：7323 デジタルカメラ ドイツ製 外観(※認証用のサンプル機なので塗装や文字は製品版とは異なる場合あり) Q: is there any direct evidence that this is APS-C, and not FF? 7323.pdf 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Hi frame-it, Take a look here Code Name "Clooney". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
willeica Posted November 8, 2017 Share #342 Posted November 8, 2017 I would say the this is a tad bigger than a X2. I measure (w-h-d): 140x87x45 m. including the EVF and140x75x35 mm, without counting the EVF The T measures134x107x33 mm. incl the Visoflex and 134x69x33 mm. without. That is quite a compact little gem, when the specs are comparable with the TL2 and a EVF of the Q or better. All depends on the size of the battery I think. Not far from a I Model A. About 5mm wider and 10mm taller. There could be claims about this as a return to the basic original Leica size. With a compact lens, this would go in a pocket. William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted November 8, 2017 Share #343 Posted November 8, 2017 it almost looks like the SL's EVF...a clue might be in the battery details...EVF's love power I'm not in love with its appearance, but if the EVF is equivalent to, or better than, the Q's and the user interface is more like the Q's/X line/ SL then I'm tempted to replace my TL2 with it. I'd be greatly disappointed if the EVF is like the Visoflex currently available for the TL2. For me, the EVF on the TL line is just not sufficiently good for using M lenses and nailing focus wide-open. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted November 8, 2017 Share #344 Posted November 8, 2017 So an X-Vario with integral EVF and interchangeable lenses. On the surface, what is not to like? (Obviously further judgement reserved until the specs & performance become available). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 8, 2017 Share #345 Posted November 8, 2017 Why a let down? Just curious. Physically, it seems to be what you predicted. It's a nice little travel camera and there are plenty of those, including the TL2. Why even introduce a TL2 if a few months later they come out with this? Stupid. Not really suited to shoot the SL zooms without holding the whole thing by the lens in order not to bend the lens mount. Q: is there any direct evidence that this is APS-C, and not FF? Yes, price. Think somewhere in the range of €2,599-$2,899 +/-100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted November 8, 2017 Share #346 Posted November 8, 2017 I'm not in love with its appearance, but if the EVF is equivalent to, or better than, the Q's and the user interface is more like the Q's/X line/ SL then I'm tempted to replace my TL2 with it. I'd be greatly disappointed if the EVF is like the Visoflex currently available for the TL2. For me, the EVF for the TL line is just not sufficiently good for using M lenses and nailing focus wide-open. Think you nailed it on the head. That EVF better shine to make up for its appearance. But, it just looks like the Visoflex pushed into the body, just barely. Am guessing no better, but time will tell. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 8, 2017 Share #347 Posted November 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) What a let down. I can see people cancelling their attendance of “Das Unwesentliche“ and TL2 buyers asking for a refund. Ive already sent an email to Ffordes asking for my money back for the TL2 Neil 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 8, 2017 Share #348 Posted November 8, 2017 Think you nailed it on the head. That EVF better shine to make up for its appearance. But, it just looks like the Visoflex pushed into the body, just barely. Am guessing no better, but time will tell. The Clooney's EVF has a very different appearance to the Visoflex 020 … Viso is made in Indonesia by Epson. dunk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted November 8, 2017 Share #349 Posted November 8, 2017 Oh, good actually. The used TL2 market will get flooded and I can pick one up for a fraction!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted November 8, 2017 Share #350 Posted November 8, 2017 Awaiting Jono's verdict . (Wonder where he has been shooting this time...). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmschuh Posted November 8, 2017 Share #351 Posted November 8, 2017 It looks like an old Barnack style camera. Very nice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seratti Posted November 8, 2017 Share #352 Posted November 8, 2017 I'm actually offended at how ugly this camera is. Wow. If I wanted function over form I'd buy a Sony. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted November 8, 2017 Share #353 Posted November 8, 2017 Bravo, M like body with L mount, it turns me on. I hope Leica will do it for FF as well. In fact, Leica should do it for all formats. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 8, 2017 Share #354 Posted November 8, 2017 Bravo, M like body with L mount, it turns me on. I hope Leica will do it for FF as well. In fact, Leica should do it for all formats. Butifun 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 8, 2017 Share #355 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) After this I wonder if there will be any TL3 in the future. IMO this is how the TL should have been designed since the beginning. But I would have preferred a flat top cover à la M or à la Q. This has probably been designed by the same guy who designed the SL GPS cover. Edited November 8, 2017 by Leicaiste 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 8, 2017 Share #356 Posted November 8, 2017 This could be a prototype. XY seems odd to me. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 8, 2017 Share #357 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) I must say, I find the responses more interesting than the camera! We have been fed rumours this would be an APS-C based camera with L mount and built in EVF. The picture, not surprisingly, shows an X body with EVF. Surely, that is not even remotely surprising? I haven’t looked closely at the dimensions, but I assume it is closer in size to the Q that to an X camera, but it looks very similar. Nice camera. Price will be the telling point. Not sure why Leica would offer a refund to any TL2 owner. They’re different cameras. Releasing further L mount models has always been Leica’s future, and it has commented on many occasions it also thinks the APS-C sensor has an advantage. If this is real, it is another L mount option, which is good for Leica. How many versions of the M do we have? M(240), (246), (262), M-D, M10? There’s nothing to this new camera that would make me switch from my TL2. Interesting Leica has, yet again, resisted a full frame camera, M form factor, L mount and built in EVF. It will come one day. Edited November 8, 2017 by IkarusJohn 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macberg Posted November 8, 2017 Share #358 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) First pictures and infos (or rather "rumours") of it: https://leicarumors.com/2017/11/08/first-pictures-of-leica-xy-leica-cl-mirrorless-camera-with-evf.aspx/ ...or is it fake news? Edited November 8, 2017 by Macberg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macberg Posted November 8, 2017 Share #359 Posted November 8, 2017 OK, just saw that those pictures were posted before in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral75 Posted November 8, 2017 Share #360 Posted November 8, 2017 First pictures and infos (or rather "rumours") of it: https://leicarumors.com/2017/11/08/first-pictures-of-leica-xy-leica-cl-mirrorless-camera-with-evf.aspx/ ...or is it fake news? Same source as here: a pdf registration file from the Taiwanese National Communications Commission. https://nccmember.ncc.gov.tw/Application/FUN/FUN016_JPG.aspx?fileid=tI3ZUe9p1L4%3d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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