lct Posted February 28, 2017 Share #301 Posted February 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) However, it is a clear signpost in the direction that Leica wants to take the M system. Indeed and the next one will be no successor for the M240 or a compact SL instead of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted February 28, 2017 Share #302 Posted February 28, 2017 I'm under no illusion there is any hope an M240 successor either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 28, 2017 Share #303 Posted February 28, 2017 And the same M "purists" praising the M10 would applaud a compact SL with SL mount. This way the obsolete M240 would remain the sole rangefinder doing video and allowing auto magnification in LV/EVF mode. Das Wesentliche... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Spencer Posted February 28, 2017 Share #304 Posted February 28, 2017 Funny with all these threads regarding video, and saying the SL is the camera for video. And yet I posted a simple question on the SL forum regarding autofocus for video and no one knows the answer. This tells me they're not using it for video either. So i question Leica owners' real need for video. Would I like the functionality on the M10. Sure. Why not? Will I use it? Maybe in a pinch. Maybe in a moment of 'this needs to be shot in video'. Will I take it specifically for video? Never. I'd use the SL or Q. Or it could be that they aren't using autofocus for video, which is where I would be. I couldn't answer questions about autofocus on video because I would never use autofocus on video. I think you are right, however, that very few M users would use it for video and probably at least the majority of SL users wouldn't use it for video either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 28, 2017 Share #305 Posted February 28, 2017 But if you don't use autofocus on the SL for video, then the M would be as good or better a solution except for the lack of ports and mic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted February 28, 2017 Share #306 Posted February 28, 2017 And the same M "purists" praising the M10 would applaud a compact SL with SL mount. This way the obsolete M240 would remain the sole rangefinder doing video and allowing auto magnification in LV/EVF mode. Das Wesentliche...Careful assuming what other people would do or think. Personally, I could care less if Leica produced a compact SL. I could care less if they produced a successor to the M240. But I am absolutely thrilled that they produced the M10 exactly the way it is, without video. I sympathize with those losing a feature they care about but at the same time I am glad that Leica finally produced the camera I have been waiting for. I don't think most purists care if there is an M version that does video. They just want a version without it, like the M10 -- something designed purely and specifically for still photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Spencer Posted February 28, 2017 Share #307 Posted February 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) But if you don't use autofocus on the SL for video, then the M would be as good or better a solution except for the lack of ports and mic. No, not really. There are lots of other things to consider. For example, heat dissipation. The M is tightly packed and probably has difficulty dissipating heat. The SL should be better for dissipating heat. How about EVF? The SL has a fantastic big EVF, which is pretty much too large for the M. With the SL you can use that big wonderful EVF, which is useful for video. Let's talk processor. Partly to reduce heat as I understand it in the M10 they tuned down the Maestro II, the SL has a full speed Maestro II. That too allows more options for processing and modes in the SL. You could also talk about ergonomics--especially with larger Cine lenses, and no doubt other issues as well. Yes, the ports are important but a number of factors make the SL a better platform for video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAK Posted March 1, 2017 Share #308 Posted March 1, 2017 - Video is a must on today's cameras. A camera without it belong to the past. I use video 'a little' when on holiday and as a tourist. The video and the still camera is then 'in the same box'. Compact and convenient. When buying a Leica we always have to prepare ourselves for selling it again. It's the young people buying 2.hand Leicas today. They will insist on having video included. No way I am going to buy a camera I will have problems selling to young people of today. I don't think video is a must in a Leica M. If I want video, I'll use my iPhone which is good enough for most of my needs. If I want professional quality video, I'll rent a professional video camera or pay a professional videographer (although in nearly 60 years, I've only done that once in my life for my wedding). And I couldn't care less what a young second-hand purchaser might like years from now. I buy a camera for my needs, not those of some stranger in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeleica Posted March 1, 2017 Share #309 Posted March 1, 2017 Sure, and this is a poll among 'existing users'. Us oldies, more or less. But there is a new generation photographers coming that are used to - expect - that cameras have a video capability. At 30 years old, I would be considered by this crew to be a younger photo hobbyist. I have 4 friends who are also very much into the hobby and own mirrorless, DSLR and other cameras, I am the only one who has Leica. None of us use the video feature of our cameras because our iPhones do that really well. I have never accidentally hit the video button on my 240 but will be happy to see it gone if I get an M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 1, 2017 Share #310 Posted March 1, 2017 At 30 years old, I would be considered by this crew to be a younger photo hobbyist. I have 4 friends who are also very much into the hobby and own mirrorless, DSLR and other cameras, I am the only one who has Leica. None of us use the video feature of our cameras because our iPhones do that really well. I have never accidentally hit the video button on my 240 but will be happy to see it gone if I get an M10. 30 years old in this crowd you would be a great grandson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted March 1, 2017 Share #311 Posted March 1, 2017 At 30 years old, I would be considered by this crew to be a younger photo hobbyist. I have 4 friends who are also very much into the hobby and own mirrorless, DSLR and other cameras, I am the only one who has Leica. None of us use the video feature of our cameras because our iPhones do that really well. I have never accidentally hit the video button on my 240 but will be happy to see it gone if I get an M10. At 51, I thought I might be one of the younger members here. Good to see that's not entirely true. I seem to see a recurring theme here that many of us who could care less about video on the M have a phone in our pocket that does video just fine for our needs on those rare occasions we want to shoot video. I wonder if maybe those who are lamenting loss of video on the M maybe don't carry smartphones capable of shooting video. That could explain a lot. One of the reasons O.P. gave for being unhappy about the loss of video was resale value to those in the younger generation. Perhaps that's a red herring. With the ubiquity of smartphones among the youth, maybe they don't really care if their camera can do video as well. Not to mention the fact that there aren't exactly hordes of young people out buying used M cameras in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2017 Share #312 Posted March 1, 2017 I know several young ones who don't care for a camera either. The phone is 'good enough'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsleica Posted March 1, 2017 Share #313 Posted March 1, 2017 Try to stick a Noct..on your iPhone..see how that goes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 1, 2017 Share #314 Posted March 1, 2017 Try to stick a Noct..on your iPhone..see how that goes... http://blog.florian-weiler.de/2016/04/leica-museum/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeleica Posted March 1, 2017 Share #315 Posted March 1, 2017 I know several young ones who don't care for a camera either. The phone is 'good enough'. Yep, for sure. I try to stay off of mine like I do this computer because I see it sucking too much time away. But what is really interesting is that a few of my friends had dedicated cameras and got rid of them. Not because the phone was so good but because they went to other creative outlets like playing musical instruments or woodworking, things in which the software or the gadget can not make it too easy, essentially taking too much of the credit for the effort. I have to say I agree with this, there is really not a lot of technical challenge in using a modern digital camera and playing with the pix in photoshop, anyone and everyone does it. Thankfully my dad gave me his Leica M4P and a 50 Summicron as a graduation present a few years back so I gradually I got into shooting film. Now I can process it at home with my tank and reels and even got to print the negatives a couple times when visiting a mentor in Chicago who has a darkroom, he is a childhood friend of my dad, great guy. Anyway, this is way off topic, lunch break over. I hope I can score an M10 this year if funds allow but if not, the 240 is pretty rad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 1, 2017 Share #316 Posted March 1, 2017 At 30 years old, I would be considered by this crew to be a younger photo hobbyist. I guess! I've been thirty twice plus ten years. I have left-overs older than you. No. Seriously. Welcome to the discussion. You are likely in your creative years. You have my attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted March 1, 2017 Share #317 Posted March 1, 2017 Try to stick a Noct..on your iPhone..see how that goes... Maybe not a noct, but Zeiss makes some pretty good lenses that attach to them. Regardless, the point is really that the idea of not buying an M10 primarily because lack video hinders resale to today's youth is a ludicrous notion. If you must have video in your rangefinder camera, I get that. But the O.P. is just making up straw man arguments about the need for video and a larger battery. Neither are deal breakers for most M camera users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted March 1, 2017 Share #318 Posted March 1, 2017 I've never used the video function in my M-240 other than to confirm that it actually worked. I actually do a fair amount of video. My most recent video project runs an hour and eight minutes. I started doing video work with still cameras, but decided early on that by the time I got it configured with a good microphone, external monitor, and support equipment - that I was much better off getting a dedicated video camera. I understand the value of being able to capture a short video clip when an unexpected opportunity presents itself and have done so on occasion. In my case those opportunities will most likely arise when I'm shooting one of my Nikon AF bodies. So while I am happy that my M-240 has the capability I may never use it. And the lack of it won't affect my purchase decision regarding an M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsleica Posted March 2, 2017 Share #319 Posted March 2, 2017 A Noct at F1...and a Sony A7 or Panny GH series..or even el cheepo G7..in video..and not even 4K..just HD..is something to behold.. Would like that option on the M..decently integrated that is.. Audio.. Who uses a camera mic anyway..for quality sound that is..always use the Zoom H series..off to the side.. I can really imagine..an M..with good video..a cam to take anywhere..that uses L glass w/o adapters..would luv it..but..how long to wait..don't have forever.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted March 2, 2017 Share #320 Posted March 2, 2017 Would like that option on the M..decently integrated that is..Audio..Who uses a camera mic anyway..for quality sound that is..always use the Zoom H series..off to the side... This is the problem Leica faces. Some people say: "I just want to be able to shoot a short video. One button isn't going to make any difference to anyone." Others say: "well, it must be well-integrated, with at least a quality audio input. Who uses a camera mic anyway?" Still others will want a audio monitor output, HDMI, higher resolution and frame rates, etc. etc. Video is a rabbit hole. If they include the most basic functions (as with M240), they will be continually criticized for that and video users will demand upgrades, which will take the camera down a path Leica never intended and waste valuable resources on video development. Better to do as they did and omit video entirely. They made the right decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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