M 11 will be around in less than 4 years. The speculations and facts.

[pgh]

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I would accept more pixels, but would rather stay at 24mp if higher resolution limited improvements to noise, dynamic range and high ISO colour.

My experience with the Sony's 36 and 42 mp sensors says this isn't generally the case. Their 12 mp sensor is the best at high ISO, but their high res sensors are still a marked improvement on the previous generation of full frame sensors across the board - resolution notwithstanding. 

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[Jon Warwick]

Only thing on my wish list is more MPs.

 

I print large, and find 24mp to be very limiting for a 300dpi printer output.

 

I can only imagine how good my 50 APO would be on a higher MP body for large prints. That lens (by itself) has certainly bumped up image quality from my M240 markedly, and the 50 APO lens for me has been worth every penny of cost, but for landscapes (and subjects with fine detail) the main weak spot for me of this "system" is low megapixel count.

 

I've tried the Nikon D800, and even with a flapping DSLR mirror, there was no problem at all with getting pin sharp images off that 36mp sensor. I'd guess this would be even easier off a lower vibration rangefinder.

 

If not an M with higher megapixel count, i would really hope that such resolution progress is made in the auto-focused SL or S ranges.

[mr_big]

A hybrid viewinder.

[Keith_W]

How about this - introduce another body that can take M lenses, but without the rangefinder mechanism. Instead, integrate a very high quality EVF. 

 

Yes, I know the Leica SL exists, but it is way too big! It would be great if they could make it M-sized. 

[SrMi]

How about this - introduce another body that can take M lenses, but without the rangefinder mechanism. Instead, integrate a very high quality EVF. 

 

Yes, I know the Leica SL exists, but it is way too big! It would be great if they could make it M-sized. 

 

As I mentioned somewhere else, manual focus with EVF and M lenses is slow. To be able to focus precisely you need first to open aperture wide (reduce DOF), focus with EVF and then close to the desired aperture. I do not think such a camera has a chance on market.

 

EVF on M10 is great when working slow, but there is always rangefinder when I need to focus faster.

[Dan Bachmann]

I'd like to see the new M models weigh less than the M9.

 

 

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[Eric1]

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Honestly, nothing. My M10 is perfect. Im not sure what could be improved. Sure, you could add more pixels, like 36, and develop a new sensor but beyond that I don't see what could be made better. I hate evf and will never buy an M that has that instead of an ovf. I think the debate about image clarity is pretty dubious. Leica lenses produce amazing large photographic prints. If you can't get a 24x36 print out of an m10, you're lenses or technique, are the problem. The M10 is very comparable to 36mps on a Nikon or Sony body and with the right lenses surpasses them.

[Jeff S]

Honestly, nothing. My M10 is perfect. Im not sure what could be improved. Sure, you could add more pixels, like 36, and develop a new sensor but beyond that I don't see what could be made better. I hate evf and will never buy an M that has that instead of an ovf. I think the debate about image clarity is pretty dubious. Leica lenses produce amazing large photographic prints. If you can't get a 24x36 print out of an m10, you're lenses or technique, are the problem. The M10 is very comparable to 36mps on a Nikon or Sony body and with the right lenses surpasses them.

Less than 3 months ago, on this thread, you wanted 36mp, autofocus and top plate logo.

 

Jeff

[Jager]

Less than 3 months ago, on this thread, you wanted 36mp, autofocus and top plate logo.

 

Jeff

 

Eric is coming along, Jeff.  He just drank the Kool-Aid you and I drank a bunch of years ago and is  starting to see.

 

By the time the M11 comes out he'll be schooling all the newbies.

 

Welcome aboard, Eric!

[Jeff S]

Eric is coming along, Jeff. He just drank the Kool-Aid you and I drank a bunch of years ago and is starting to see.

 

By the time the M11 comes out he'll be schooling all the newbies.

 

Welcome aboard, Eric!

Funny. But I don't think this is his first M. And I don't know about you, but I've never wanted AF in an M camera.

 

Jeff

[pico]

A hybrid viewinder.

 

Electronic frame lines.

[brill64]

I liked the painted red dot on the lens release button of the old M6 Classic Traveler...bring that back.

[paulsydaus]

Not really, the functionality is less, battery life is less, the sensor is only marginally improved, it has a better EVF because of a higher specified - but still not up-to-date- processor. The main improvement (which is important to many) is the lesser depth, which in turn enabled a higher viewfinder enlargement and a larger ocular which provides better eye relief. Not easy to do, especially the size reduction, and I admire Leica for it, but innovation? not really.

The total is a very attractive and capable camera, and a potential bestseller, but hardly one that is on the bleeding edge of digital technology.

Oh dear. It is a far more enjoyable camera to use, the first full frame digital with analogue proportions. Not my first M but easily the one I most looked forward to. The M240 feels obese by comparison. The M10 is easily an equal leap forward for the system.

The camera industry as a whole is on the cusp of diminishing returns, only so far you can push the laws of physics...

The M240 was plenty a good enough camera for my skills and the M10 makes the experience even more enjoyable.

It seems that you are in the minority in your appraisal.

 

 

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[albertknappmd]

Why should it cut noise? Rather the opposite.

Depends on the pixel size, architecture and CMOS lattice... The newer version CMOS is larger and produces far less noise. Let's hope that the M11 has a CMOS upgrade.

 

Albert     

[rwchisholm]

People have quite the wish list.

 

Does everyone who is asking for upgrades actually own an M10?

 

The M10 is quite the camera. I'm an M8-9-10 guy. And I shot the shit out of the M9. With stellar results.

 

The M10 is all that and sooooo much more. Just nothing to complain about and it's honestly a camera that HCB probably would've loved. Or GW. I speculate but I'm probably right.

 

I don't know how much more you can ask for in a less than MF camera?

 

 

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[keithlaban.co.uk]

Come 2021 I'll be ecstatic if I'm still here, healthy and enjoying shooting with my two M240 cameras... 

[Kevinfinity]

I have no idea what it will be but I can say what I'd like it to be:

 

hard tether - usb3 via an optional grip. This is a fundamental need, IMO.

resolution - 50 would be good. 40 will do, I guess.

video - given video works well with HDMI, the function could be incorporated into the grip so to keep non video M users happy, or otherwise just hide it with a programable button or menu function. Everyone has video on their phone and I don't hear anyone asking to talk it off because it offends them.

battery - get it back to where it was. The option of a battery grip would be, IMO, very desirable.

 

 

Hm... I am not picking on you. Because you are not the only one that mentioned video in the wish list for the next Leica M digital camera. But personally, as an 8-year film camera and Leica digital-M user, I would not be happy that Leica decides to make another Leica M digital that has video function in the future. My understand of Leica M camera is their classic camera line that would only focus on the photograph itself. In my opinion, added the live view into Leica M already ruin the Leica M as a rangefinder camera... That's why I never would think of buying a Leica M240 in the past 5 years. And I am so happy that Leica realized they made a wrong decision on the Leica M240 and finally brought a real Leica M camera back to us which is the Leica M10. I just bought a silver Leica M10, and I am pleased with this new Leica M. I am ok with the live view function, which is like a standard in the camera market nowadays. For the new generation who don't get used to the Rangefinder system or people who don't have good eyesight, the live view may necessary for them. But buy a  Rangefinder Leica M camera and use Live view to focus instead sounds like a joke to me. Why not just buy a mirrorless camera in the first place? I believe lots of people will be against me by saying adding the live view, and video function are necessary for the business success of Leica. Again, personally, I do believe that Leica M camera should only focus on the photograph function. Other than that, anything else that is not related to photographing is utterly ruining the original concept of the Leica M camera and will become a barrier for Leica M to be a more professional and classic digital camera.

[Kevinfinity]

I don't know where they hide the edit function. So I have to correct the mistake here. In the previous post I am trying to say that added the video function into Leica M already ruin the Leica M as a rangefinder camera... 

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[budjames]

Only thing on my wish list is more MPs.

 

I print large, and find 24mp to be very limiting for a 300dpi printer output.

 

I can only imagine how good my 50 APO would be on a higher MP body for large prints. That lens (by itself) has certainly bumped up image quality from my M240 markedly, and the 50 APO lens for me has been worth every penny of cost, but for landscapes (and subjects with fine detail) the main weak spot for me of this "system" is low megapixel count.

 

I've tried the Nikon D800, and even with a flapping DSLR mirror, there was no problem at all with getting pin sharp images off that 36mp sensor. I'd guess this would be even easier off a lower vibration rangefinder.

 

If not an M with higher megapixel count, i would really hope that such resolution progress is made in the auto-focused SL or S ranges.

 

I am recent Leica user with the purchase of my first Leica, the M10 in Nov. 2017. I'm still getting the hang of the system and manual focusing.

 

For the past 4+ years, I have been a Fuji user. I do all of my printing on Epson inkjet printers. My current printer is the Epson P800 which handles paper up to 17" wide. I have 16x20 prints from cropped images created with the Fuji X100S (16 mp files) and the image quality and sharpness is remarkable. I cannot tell the difference from prints made with this little camera and those hanging next to it made from my old Canon 5D Mk III system.

 

If anyone here is serious about image quality and making prints larger than 20x30 inches, they should be using medium format gear. For my needs the M10 24mp files are more than adequate. The prints that I have made so far are amazing. Larger prints really show off the sharpness and micro-contrast of the Leica M prime lenses. I'm hooked.

 

If you want the equivalent of buying a higher megapixel camera and you are a Lightroom user, I suggest that you try out Capture One Pro 11. I switched to Capture One Pro about 3 years ago because Lightroom didn't do such a great job with Fuji X trans sensor RAW files. Switching to Capture One Pro at that time was an immediate improvement in image quality and processing workflow speed. The last couple releases of Capture One Pro, now at version 11, have greatly improved layers and the DAM capabilities of the program. Good enough for my needs at least.

 

Regards,

Bud James

 

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

Edited July 3, 2018 by budjames

[wlaidlaw]

Hm... I am not picking on you. Because you are not the only one that mentioned video in the wish list for the next Leica M digital camera. But personally, as an 8-year film camera and Leica digital-M user, I would not be happy that Leica decides to make another Leica M digital that has video function in the future. My understand of Leica M camera is their classic camera line that would only focus on the photograph itself. In my opinion, added the live view into Leica M already ruin the Leica M as a rangefinder camera... That's why I never would think of buying a Leica M240 in the past 5 years. And I am so happy that Leica realized they made a wrong decision on the Leica M240 and finally brought a real Leica M camera back to us which is the Leica M10. I just bought a silver Leica M10, and I am pleased with this new Leica M. I am ok with the live view function, which is like a standard in the camera market nowadays. For the new generation who don't get used to the Rangefinder system or people who don't have good eyesight, the live view may necessary for them. But buy a  Rangefinder Leica M camera and use Live view to focus instead sounds like a joke to me. Why not just buy a mirrorless camera in the first place? I believe lots of people will be against me by saying adding the live view, and video function are necessary for the business success of Leica. Again, personally, I do believe that Leica M camera should only focus on the photograph function. Other than that, anything else that is not related to photographing is utterly ruining the original concept of the Leica M camera and will become a barrier for Leica M to be a more professional and classic digital camera.

 

There are a lot of folk who like both the video and live view. If Leica can incorporate these with no size penalty why not? If you don't like them don't use them but a camera should not be hobbled to suit the needs of someone who does not like a function. It would be saying: "I never use a strap with my Leica, so the strap lugs should be deleted". A somewhat self centred attitude. 

 

Wilson