lct Posted February 7, 2020 Share #941 Posted February 7, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, jaapv said: That is true. However, offset by the added lens versatility by such an M-L. I don't think it would be that complicated - it would only take a motion sensor. Do you mean that no mechanical link would be necessary between the camera and the focus cam of M lenses? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ELAN Posted February 7, 2020 Share #942 Posted February 7, 2020 10 hours ago, rramesh said: Leica should not follow the route of Sony or Nikon and try to build 'Swiss army knives'. I for one don't need an M with EVF, video etc. If this is important, Leica does have the SL. So why turn the M into an SL like? Fully agree. Leica should make an SM - an M mount SL the size of an M. Lots of people here would love one. Then, hopefully, Leica would keep the M11 free of EVF / IBIS / Auto Focus etc. and focus on improving the OVF (like they did with the M10). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 7, 2020 Share #943 Posted February 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, lct said: Do you mean that no mechanical link would be necessary between the camera and the focus cam of M lenses? Just curious. Correct. The adapter could sense the movement (mechanically-sensor) and transmit it electronically to the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 7, 2020 Share #944 Posted February 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, ELAN said: Fully agree. Leica should make an SM - an M mount SL the size of an M. Lots of people here would love one. Then, hopefully, Leica would keep the M11 free of EVF / IBIS / Auto Focus etc. and focus on improving the OVF (like they did with the M10). Agree - with one caveat - make it universal mount (M-L) plus fully functional adapter (as LCT mentions), automatic magnification, focus confirmation, AF with L lenses, etc. The only problem being that it might orphan the traditional M into a non-viable small niche. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 7, 2020 Share #945 Posted February 7, 2020 It has worked for longer than most of us have been alive. Can't we just keep it? You literally have your choice of practically every other camera system in the world, including from Leica...why do so many people keep trying to change the M into something other than a rangefinder? Seriously, just get an SL, or a CL, or an S1, or a A7RIV or a Nikon Z7 or a Canon RF, or a Fuji X100V, or a Fuji XPro2 or a Ricoh GR or an RX2 or or or or I am not against an M version with an EVF or a clip on EVF of higher quality, but there should be an option for people who like rangefinders...EVF's still cannot approach them for clarity or truly seeing the world as it is. They never will as they will always be a computer simulation, rather than a direct blast of photons into your eye...we look at so many screens all the time, isn't it nice to have a window on the world once in a while instead of a screen? 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 7, 2020 Share #946 Posted February 7, 2020 No, we don't need a M with an EVF - M means Messucher, and always will do. It would contaminate the whole of Leica's heritage and destroy its market if the company went down that route. What we need is a SL in a body with the size, shape, controls and weight of the 'M' and with a simple mount that can accept M lenses and respond to turning the focus ring. Wait a minute.......... 😁 🙄 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted February 7, 2020 Share #947 Posted February 7, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with Stuart and local hero completely but would get use out of IBIS if they could add without fattening the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 7, 2020 Share #948 Posted February 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: [...] ..why do so many people keep trying to change the M into something other than a rangefinder? Seriously, just get an SL, or a CL, or an S1, or a A7RIV or a Nikon Z7 or a Canon RF, or a Fuji X100V, or a Fuji XPro2 or a Ricoh GR or an RX2 or or or or [...] Whom are you referring to if i may ask? Rangefinders will stay alive for many years hopefully. Only question is to know if there is some hope for M lens users interested in compact full frame mirrorless cameras. I mean at Leica's of course. No SL, CL or TL camera can do that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raadoo Posted February 7, 2020 Share #949 Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Just spitballing, but how about this lineup? Don't shoot. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 7, 2020 by raadoo 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268919-m-11-will-be-around-in-less-than-4-years-the-speculations-and-facts/?do=findComment&comment=3907968'>More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted February 7, 2020 Share #950 Posted February 7, 2020 vor 8 Minuten schrieb lct: Only question is to know if there is some hope for M lens users interested in compact full frame mirrorless cameras. There is hop, my daughters (28, 34) often use my M6 cameras, usually with a 35 or 50mm lens to make B/W photos, they like going back to the roots, certainly influenced by the father.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 7, 2020 Share #951 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Agree - with one caveat - make it universal mount (M-L) plus fully functional adapter (as LCT mentions), automatic magnification, focus confirmation, AF with L lenses, etc. The only problem being that it might orphan the traditional M into a non-viable small niche. Haven't we been here before (x a lot)? The complexity of building a camera and fully functional adapter for both M and (inevitably) adapted LTM lenses which is 100% accurate and reliable yet still all has the size of an existing M camera, all sounds like a triumph of wishful thinking over reality to me I'm afraid. Add in that it would need to achieve a lot of additional sales for Leica (in order not to steal sales from either existing (and presumably profitable) product lines) and I'd say its just pure wishful thinking. But don't let a reality check stop the fun discussion😁. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 7, 2020 Share #952 Posted February 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, pgk said: Haven't we been here before (x a lot)? Too often... 🙄 Add the expected sales of 150 M-EVF cameras... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 7, 2020 Share #953 Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, jaapv said: Add the expected sales of 150 M-EVF cameras... ... or the expected softness of 100% crops out of high rez rangefinders . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 7, 2020 Share #954 Posted February 7, 2020 Why should those be soft??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 7, 2020 Share #955 Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, raadoo said: Just spitballing, but how about this lineup? Don't shoot. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I guess the quiet shutter will be standard in all future models, also the standard version, because it's so well received. So I see no reason not to include it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Johnston Posted February 7, 2020 Share #956 Posted February 7, 2020 Here is an early morning, before caffeine kicks in, related to the beloved quiet shutter of the 10-P: has anyone enquired if the regular 10 be upgraded to the quieter version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 7, 2020 Share #957 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom Johnston said: Here is an early morning, before caffeine kicks in, related to the beloved quiet shutter of the 10-P: has anyone enquired if the regular 10 be upgraded to the quieter version? Yes it can. The camera can upgraded to an M10-P. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 7, 2020 Share #958 Posted February 7, 2020 From Leica Rumors 2019/01/08: "Jesko, the product manager for the M suggested that, of course, the electronic viewfinder is a nice addition for the M camera, however, they always see the rangefinder as the number one focusing system for the M. They mentioned Leica did build a prototype hybrid built in EVF M, but they put priority on the camera body design, as it made it too thick. However, Stefan Daniel added to this, emphasizing there will always be a rangefinder version. However, they are looking at opportunities to have a second model with a built in EVF. They will never swap the rangefinder to EVF, but a second version alongside the rangefinder is very possible in the future." I am increasingly seeing photographers using either EVF or rear LCD with the M10 series. A hybrid viewfinder would be useful, as long as it does not degrade the rangefinder experience of current cameras. An M camera with a built-in EVF would never replace the classic rangefinder but will bring more photographers to the M ecosystem. Also, I do not see a CL as an M with EVF. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 7, 2020 Share #959 Posted February 7, 2020 21 hours ago, Jeff S said: Thanks, but I think after 35 years of use, I don't need Joel to explain the basics. There are many other significant benefits of RF viewing with an M, obvious to generations of photographers. Many learn how to use the RF even for focal lengths that don't have corresponding frame lines. But I guess for you the M isn't as powerful for 28mm viewing as for 135mm viewing, since there is less space around the 28mm frames lines. 🙄 Jeff I actually love the 28 but I must admit my favorite way of shooting it is with the Leica 21 Brightline finder( thanks to the built in 28 frame lines). Makes for a "roomy" view. 😀 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268919-m-11-will-be-around-in-less-than-4-years-the-speculations-and-facts/?do=findComment&comment=3908312'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 7, 2020 Share #960 Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Kwesi said: I actually love the 28 but I must admit my favorite way of shooting it is with the Leica 21 Brightline finder( thanks to the built in 28 frame lines). Makes for a "roomy" view. 😀 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I prefer to exploit the power of the M RF/VF. 😉 Jeff Edited February 7, 2020 by Jeff S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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