jaapv Posted March 22, 2019 Share #841 Posted March 22, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, Chaemono said: Backside illuminated high pixel count FF sensors have very little noise at high ISO. Panasonic and Leica forwent the BSI technology and chose instead a “waveguide” whatver approach for their 47 MPx sensor. They must have done so for a good reason. So, I will reserve judgement on which sensor has the best DR before I see for myself how the M10, the SL, the SR1, the α7R III, and the Z7 perform with the same lens at different ISOs in scenes with dark Shadows and extreme Highlights. I’m sure the non-BSI S1R/Q2/SL2 sensor will show more noise than Sony’s or Nikon’s at high ISO. The S1 would then be a better choice (and it doesn’t have an AA/OLP-Filter 😀). But the new Leica/Panasonic 47 MPx sensor could possibly handle high contrast scenes better at lower ISOs because it supposedly uses aspherical lenses to direct light into the pixel and deep photodiodes. I’m not sure how effective this is, but I’m really intrigued now to see for myself. I don’t care what the charts show. The M10 sensor gets a DxOMark score of only 85 but the M10 performance at ISO 200-640 in high contrast scenes beats the α7R III and the the Z7 by a mile. I’m not sure where I’ll post the pictures but definetly on my SmugMug page. 😁 You'll find far more relevant than DXO (photographically speaking) information here: http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M 11 will be around in less than 4 years. The speculations and facts.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Kwesi Posted March 30, 2019 Share #842 Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 11:19 AM, Jeff S said: No more 3 digit “Typ”, but in theory this could still allow for a M10.2... although I doubt it. The P versions seem to cover the interim models besides Monochroms or screenless variants. But if we ever see an EVF based or hybrid VF version, or maybe variants based on MP count, who knows how Leica would label them. Many companies, including Leica, haven’t been consistent or logical in the name game. Jeff Me thinks an M10P.2 with 47mp and native iso 50 would be a brilliant move in the next couple of months. Mainly because I'm dying to get my hands on one. 😀 oh well, four years will be here soon enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT2RS Posted March 30, 2019 Share #843 Posted March 30, 2019 According to this source M11 is coming in Aug/Sep 2020. Looks like not only will I have enough for M11, but also Noctilux. Hopefully they bump the MP to at least 36MP. No EVF and weight reduction would great as well. http://thenewcamera.com/leica-m11-coming-on-2020/ 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share #844 Posted April 2, 2019 Together with the M app noctilux 1,5/90mm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share #845 Posted April 22, 2019 Am 1.2.2017 um 20:16 schrieb Paulus: In the interview with Stefan Daniel : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-aktuell/2017/01/leica-m10-interview/?utm_source=luf170201&utm_medium=E-Mail He says two important things: The Leica M 11 will get into production sooner than the interval M 240 - M 10. ( 17:00 - 20:00 minute ). Also it will be called M 11. The Leica M will always be the best camera for M lenses, hence the new sensor of the M 10. The development of the M 11 has not started, but we are welcome to speculate. Leica will read the speculations and act accordingly, using the Leica user Forum like one easy marketing tool. This gives us , not only means to influence the development of the M 11, but also gives us responsibility. Some (factual) speculations: The M 11 will be the same "33,7 mm" size body. The Leica MP 10 will be sooner as expected ( if it will come ). The iso knob will stay as part of the philosofy : you can prepare the camera for action without looking on the menu. My wishes at the moment: none. At the and of this thread, I stil, can say the same. Wishes : Non. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share #846 Posted January 17, 2020 https://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M10-Monochrom The next step is the M 11.....in 2020! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 17, 2020 Share #847 Posted January 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2021 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted January 17, 2020 Share #848 Posted January 17, 2020 41 MP. No effin video. Same body dimensions, do NOT revert to the obese M9 body. A better viewfinder, as good as in the Zeiss Ikon. No silly removable bottom plate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfairclough Posted January 17, 2020 Share #849 Posted January 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Viv said: No silly removable bottom plate. I LOVE the bottom plate. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted January 17, 2020 Share #850 Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, maxfairclough said: I LOVE the bottom plate. Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishi Posted January 17, 2020 Share #851 Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) On 3/30/2019 at 3:06 PM, GT2RS said: According to this source M11 is coming in Aug/Sep 2020. Looks like not only will I have enough for M11, but also Noctilux. Hopefully they bump the MP to at least 36MP. No EVF and weight reduction would great as well. http://thenewcamera.com/leica-m11-coming-on-2020/ Leica Rumors also reported this originally but then said there won’t be an M11 in 2020 but rather an M10X with higher megapixels (to launch at Photokina). I’d imagine the M10X is probably using the M10M sensor. I’d also imagine Leica is planning a bigger innovation for the M11 if it’s the case they’re releasing an M10X. Edited January 17, 2020 by mishi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share #852 Posted January 17, 2020 vor 16 Minuten schrieb mishi: Leica Rumors also reported this originally but then said there won’t be an M11 in 2020 but rather an M10X with higher megapixels (to launch at Photokina). I’d imagine the M10X is probably using the M10M sensor. I’d also imagine Leica is planning a bigger innovation for the M11 if it’s the case they’re releasing an M10X. Welcome to the forum! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishi Posted January 17, 2020 Share #853 Posted January 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, Paulus said: Welcome to the forum! Thank you!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2020 Share #854 Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, mishi said: Leica Rumors also reported this originally but then said there won’t be an M11 in 2020 but rather an M10X with higher megapixels (to launch at Photokina). I’d imagine the M10X is probably using the M10M sensor. I’d also imagine Leica is planning a bigger innovation for the M11 if it’s the case they’re releasing an M10X. It remains to be seen whether Leica will even participate in Photokina. They didn’t last time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 17, 2020 Share #855 Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, jaapv said: It remains to be seen whether Leica will even participate in Photokina. They didn’t last time. Apparently not. https://www.google.com/amp/s/leicarumors.com/2019/09/17/leica-will-not-take-part-in-photokina-2020.aspx/amp/ But of course doesn’t preclude an announcement at any time of their choosing. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted January 18, 2020 Share #856 Posted January 18, 2020 The apparent and imminent appearance of an M10R (and maybe then an M10R-P?) is likely to postpone an M11 for several years more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 18, 2020 Share #857 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, james.liam said: The apparent and imminent appearance of an M10R (and maybe then an M10R-P?) is likely to postpone an M11 for several years more. I’d be surprised, as January 2021 would be the typical 4 year cycle anyway. Especially if the already developed Maestro III is also left out of the M10R. Interim models haven’t changed that timing much lately, although the new sensor does add another twist. But we’ll see. Interesting times... across manufacturers. Jeff Edited January 18, 2020 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted January 18, 2020 Share #858 Posted January 18, 2020 I can't help but think the M10-P should have been the M10-R which would have naturally led to the current M10-M 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted January 18, 2020 Share #859 Posted January 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jeff S said: I’d be surprised, as January 2021 would be the typical 4 year cycle anyway. Especially if the already developed Maestro III is also left out of the M10R. Interim models haven’t changed that timing much lately, although the new sensor does add another twist. But we’ll see. Interesting times... across manufacturers. Jeff I had a thought in another thread that they may be adopting a strategy similar to Sony and their a7. Start with a lower-res color, introduce a -P 2-3 years later, then an updated Mono, followed by a super-high resolution (-R) and then an -RP version a year or two before the next iteration. Stretches the life cycle to perhaps 6 years instead of 4. If there was ever an M digital body worthy of a longer life, the M10 would be it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 18, 2020 Share #860 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Quote ...If there was ever an M digital body worthy of a longer life, the M10 would be it. Yes. No question. Quote ...41 MP. No effin video. Same body dimensions, do NOT revert to the obese M9 body... YES!! And let's round up to make it an even 50 megapixels with ISO 100-100,000 capability. And with every camera, include a decoder wheel so we can extrapolate out how the suffixes of the no letter M11, -M, -P, -R, -DR, -PR, -RPM and -EIEIO models stack up in their proper pecking order. Edited January 18, 2020 by Herr Barnack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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