M10 - the Image Thread

[chris_tribble]

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[chris_tribble]

And for the fun of it, a some images made using a OUFRO and 135 / 90 / 50 lenses.

 

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[scott kirkpatrick]

Chris, thanks.  Your flower set of files are all smaller (average around 28 MB while the kitchen shots were all over 30 MB).  Not all of that is less metadata, since high ISO files have a lot more noise which doesn't compress well.  But all of this morning's files have only the 10 line template that gets expanded once the file is read into LightRoom.  So these are the files that any other program would be dealing with.  In particular, the lines in which the noise handling recommendations are spelled out that were seen in the earlier files have not appeared at this point.

 

Incidentally, your firmware says "1.0.2.0" while Tober's (from a demo camera) was identified as 1.0.1.0.  That tag gets replaced by Adobe's identifier when the file has been touched by LightRoom, so the firmware may be evolving continuously as shipments go out.

 

scott 

Edited January 25, 2017 by scott kirkpatrick

[BerndReini]

It seems that the M10 offers incremental refinements in image quality rather than a significant leap forward.  There is more to photography than image quality, but in my book IQ is near the top of the list, if not #1. 

 

In the M camera line, camera fatness is at this point a non-issue to me.  I shot with an M4-P for years and was never bothered by the fact that my M-P 240 was 0.137" fatter than my M4-P.  137/1000ths of an inch (3.5 mm) is tolerable; twice that would be bothersome.

 

I might be able to cope with a +7 mm fatboy M, if built in sensor dust reduction were part of the deal.  That having been said, I can live without auto sensor cleaning.  I clean my own sensor and it's not a big of deal.  I have found that I need to clean about every 4 months which is something I can live with.

 

Get used to it until sensor technology changes fundamentally. I find the files at ISO 6,400 extremely clean without banding. It is definitely better than the M240, but whether the improvement is enough to justify the upgrade is a matter of personal opinion. I am still using an M9 and I find the sum of the improvements quite remarkable.

[Philinflash]

 

Hi Everyone

Some more images here:

 

https://adobe.ly/2kc1DJl

 

Useful images; thanks.  I do not see any way of getting to the EXIF data which would be nice.  For instance, I would like to know if the B&W images were shot in monochrome mode which is something that intrigues me.  I know that monochrome is a shooting mode under the jpg options but does that mean that one cannot use the monochrome mode to generate DNG files?  

[scott kirkpatrick]

Just a data point -- I've run several of Chris' pictures in the kitchen with all the pottery and cups through Capture One (correcting the the blown highlights!!) and put them up side by side to see how the colors compare.  They look fine to me, so although C1 support is unofficial at this point and probably incomplete, I'd call it perfectly usable.

 

scott

[chris_tribble]

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Just a data point -- I've run several of Chris' pictures in the kitchen with all the pottery and cups through Capture One (correcting the the blown highlights!!) and put them up side by side to see how the colors compare.  They look fine to me, so although C1 support is unofficial at this point and probably incomplete, I'd call it perfectly usable.

 

scott

Scott - sounds like good news for C1 users.  re blown highlights, there was no post on any of these images other than my default imports.  

Neither LR nor me at fault there

[cookedart]

It seems that the M10 offers incremental refinements in image quality rather than a significant leap forward. There is more to photography than image quality, but in my book IQ is near the top of the list, if not #1.

 

 

I'm not sure what the expectation for significant is here. 1.5 to 2 stops of high ISO range seems like a very notable improvement over the m240. Huge if you're coming from an m9. The m10s sensor seems to compete well with even the latest Sony sensors for ISO performance, except maybe the A7S which has half the resolution. As I recall the jump from the m8 to m9, and m9 to m240 was an improvement of a similar vein (in terms of ISO performance). My impressions are that the m8 didn't do well above 640-800, the m9 was in the 1250-1600 range, and the m240 hit 3200 with the possibility of banding but was usable with the right conditions. The reports of the m10 say 6400 is solid and even 12500 is usable.

 

Now of course I can want or hope for better, but is it a realistic expectation? IQ is clearly better. Just a matter of how calibrated your expectations are as to how large that improvement is.

[steppenw0lf]

A new camera comes with a new sensor (or modified, or enhanced or whatever). During the first few weeks no perfect profiles for the several sw packages exist. So everybody (many at least) start producing their own and do some testing, etc. What a waste of time. (Hundreds duplicating the work that a single well trained person could do.).

 

I would like to interrupt this procedure (just the same procedure as last year, Mrs. Sophie ?), and ask Leica to make suitable profiles available at the same time as the camera. For Leica this should not be a problem, as they have prepared some demonstration images anyway. So some professional photographer has already invested his time to create an attractive product. E.g. let's take Jono's images and profiles as a starting point. (I like his results).  https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/40d385cfda284de7a6675ee4980de1d5

Of course this is personal (color impressions are individual), it will not be perfect for everybody, but it should be possible to provide some "good" profiles for the typical use cases. (Portrait, landscape, "vivid colors", "subdued colors", etc.). This should be part of the delivery, just as a new car cannot be delivered without petrol in its tank. Let's call it a "quick start" package.

Edited January 26, 2017 by steppenw0lf

[chris_tribble]

Just for interest, this is with the 135-apo-telyt (at f4).  I used the Visoflex 020 to nail focus + a monopod.  I'm very very pleased with the results from ISO 3200.

 

My default import settings in LR (CC 2015) are:

 

WB: as shot

Blacks +15

Clarity +10

Vibrance +17 (This goes back a long time from a conversation with Geoff Schewe)

CURVE: medium contrast

Sharpening: 0

Luminance NR: 0

Color NR: 25

Detail: 50

Smoothness 50

Lens Profile: Enabled

 

Process: Current

Profile: M10

No sharpening or Luminance NR applied in post to the 100% crop.  

There's an unmodified DNG here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h418dbo6aw74sa4/L1000744.DNG?dl=0

 

 

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[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

And for the fun of it, a some images made using a OUFRO and 135 / 90 / 50 lenses.

 

Hi Chris

Looking at these files I am glad I passed on the M10................... Really nothing special and defiantly not high ISO usability.

Thanks for posting though, theres nothing like the real thing.

 

Neil

[AAK]

 

Hi Everyone

Some more images here:

 

https://adobe.ly/2kc1DJl

 

Some great images there! The one with the flowers in the pitcher is really beautiful. 

[chris_tribble]

Hi Chris

Looking at these files I am glad I passed on the M10................... Really nothing special and defiantly not high ISO usability.

Thanks for posting though, theres nothing like the real thing.

 

Neil

Neil - if I can make time I'll do some side by side.  Given the crappy light I've been doing these "tests" in it will give a fairer impression...

[lm_user]

I am interested to see how wide angle lenses used with and without the use of a uv/ir filter while photographic a synthetic black fabric.  

 

The M240 was sensitive to ir contamination and had no in camera option to correct cyan color drift when the uv/ir filter was applied (unlike the M9).  The M10 also does not seem to have a menu option for the optional use of uv/ir filters - but maybe the ir contamination is so restricted there use will not be necessary...

 

Thanks in advance

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Picked up an M10 yesterday. Took it out for an hour today. 

 

I have an M246 with usually a 28mm Summilux that practically lives on my shoulder. I almost always use this combination and for the rare times I want color, I have a Q. I had sold my M240 for a Q and it was a great decision.

 

Yet the M10 was there and if I don't want to keep it, I'll have no problem selling it I figured.

 

Anyway, here's a few pictures from today. I see size limit of 500K and had already exported them at about 500k each.

 

Might do one at a time. Hope no one minds.

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