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  • 4 weeks later...

Month and a half since I pull the trigger on a black MP, but on BH the stock went from "More on the way" to "on backorder". BH tells me that they are expecting the order from Leica, but the waiting is killing me...should I be worried?

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Month and a half since I pull the trigger on a black MP, but on BH the stock went from "More on the way" to "on backorder". BH tells me that they are expecting the order from Leica, but the waiting is killing me...should I be worried?

 

Making of film Leica M is by batches in small number of cameras by small number of employees.

 

If your order came in between two batches (I don't know their rythms, sorry), then the waiting time is next batch of MP.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Update from BH:

 
"We do not now have a reliable ETA from Leica."
 
 
Update from Leica:
 
"We're very sorry for the frustration that this delay has caused.  According to the sales division, the Leica MP is manufactured in very small lots so demand continues to exceed the number of units received from the factory.  Along with the fact that we don’t know where your name falls on the dealer’s list of waiting customers, it’s unfortunately rather impossible to predict when you might receive your camera. Unless your name is at the top of the dealer’s list, you’re likely to be waiting a number of months."
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I do feel otherwise on this matter. I do agree that you do spend money in the long run when you develop the film, plus the cost of the film itself, I do think this is very subjective. 

 

For example, picking up a used M3/4/6 plus 500 rolls (which could last you a few years at least) of bw film plus home development cost would still be cheaper than getting a used M10. On top of that a few years down the line, the selling price of the M10 will plummet, but you are very likely to get the same amount back should you decide to sell your M3/4/6.

 

Of course, things could be very much different if you are the slide film shooter and have no means of processing the E6 at home.

 

In my experience, coming back to shooting film has costed me far less than what i've spent on my digital kit which is now worth the 5th of the price that i've paid for it not so long ago.

 

The question of the film look vs digital is a matter of another discussion and preference. To me, the look of the film is far more desirable than the clinical sharpness of the modern high end digital cams and lenses. They are all the same in their tens/hundreds of millions, whereas the film and analogue lenses are far more personal and alive.

 

Andrei

Playing devil's advocate here; one can argue whilst the cost of acquiring a new digital M is high, in the long run the cost of film, developing and time spent printing/scanning is also high.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of analog photography.  But doing the math it actually is more expensive than digital on a long enough time line.

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For example, picking up a used M3/4/6 plus 500 rolls (which could last you a few years at least) of bw film plus home development cost would still be cheaper than getting a used M10. On top of that a few years down the line, the selling price of the M10 will plummet, but you are very likely to get the same amount back should you decide to sell your M3/4/6.

 

I get your point, but I'd assume the M10  would plummet in resale value about the same amount you would spend on the 500 rolls of film and developing, so in the end you'd come out about even. I find it hard to justify going digital or film based on financial calculations for enthusiasts. We're in it for the fun, so use what you enjoy and can afford.

 

-Thomas

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As an aside from someone who doesn't own a MP but would love it if he did: If Leica admits that demand for the MP is outstripping supply, wouldn't it be in their financial interests to increase production to at least meet demand?

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I do feel otherwise on this matter. I do agree that you do spend money in the long run when you develop the film, plus the cost of the film itself, I do think this is very subjective. 

 

For example, picking up a used M3/4/6 plus 500 rolls (which could last you a few years at least) of bw film plus home development cost would still be cheaper than getting a used M10. On top of that a few years down the line, the selling price of the M10 will plummet, but you are very likely to get the same amount back should you decide to sell your M3/4/6.

The other side of shooting film is what happens after you develop it.  Do you print?  Do you scan?  Then there are more costs regarding printing chems and paper, archival sleeves for storage, and scanning the film in one way or another.  Or maybe there's a hybrid process of shooting and developing film but having a lab scan and print it for you.

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As an aside from someone who doesn't own a MP but would love it if he did: If Leica admits that demand for the MP is outstripping supply, wouldn't it be in their financial interests to increase production to at least meet demand?

It is only in Leica’s financial interests if there is adequate margin on the incremental production. I suspect that the margin on digital far exceeds that on film Leicas. If this is true, it is a most sad state of affairs for film Leica lovers.

 

Yes, I love my 0.58 chrome MP! :)

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