Stealth3kpl Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2241 Posted January 18, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm about to turn over the {edited} tables this is outrageous and not acceptable to existing M users!!! The M240 you had to buy a grip to get a usb port. Now you have to buy a SL body? Leica just shelved the M for Pro use. Seriously not cool Leica. I can understand your frustration, but I would guess that those requiring a tethered facility are a tiny minority when it comes to the M. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2242 Posted January 18, 2017 I don't think it is enough of an improvement on my M240 to tempt me to blow the dust out of my wallet. These days I use the SL for digital most of the time and for rangefinders, have gone back to film for a lot of the time. I am having my model III restored to close to as new condition by Cameraworks and given its tiny size, with one or other of my collapsible lenses (Elmar, Hektor or Summitar), makes a great pocket sized camera with my CL as an M mount alternative. I am a bit surprised not to have received an official announcement from Leica themselves, given I am on their professional register and usually get an email on release day. Wilson PS Email from Leica has just popped up in my inbox. PPS having looked at the email, I would have thought Leica could have found a better condition M4 for their comparison pic. I would have lent them mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2243 Posted January 18, 2017 Tethering is not to control the camera it's to transport files to the computer, live, while shooting. The M has been perfectly capable of this and it has worked very well. This is not good enough at all!!!!!! I'm about to turn over the fucking tables this is outrageous and not acceptable to existing M users!!! The M240 you had to buy a {edited} grip to get a usb port. Now you have to buy a {edited} SL body? Leica just shelved the M for Pro use. Seriously not cool Leica. Sorry, I didn't get it: Was the M "perfectly capable" of tethering and "worked very well", or did you have to buy a "{edited} grip"? If you already use a perfectly capable M, why is this "outragous to existing M users"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2244 Posted January 18, 2017 Tethering is not to control the camera it's to transport files to the computer, live, while shooting. The M has been perfectly capable of this and it has worked very well. This is not good enough at all!!!!!! I don't think this is careless or accidental; I think they are deliberately narrowing down the range of uses the M is suitable for - cutting the video is another sign. So not for studio or video, which require compromises elsewhere in battery life, weather sealing and menu simplicity. TBH I'm a bit surprised they have included wifi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2245 Posted January 18, 2017 Black paint - for the M9 - was a step backwards from the black chrome of the M8. I am happy the new model comes in a black chrome version by default and not just as an "uprade" in a future M10-P version. Even if the smaller battery for the M10 is weaker than the M 240 battery, it will be an enormous "upgrade" from the M8 standard. Is it not black paint ?? It says black paint on the Leica site ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2246 Posted January 18, 2017 I don't think it is enough of an improvement on my M240 to tempt me to blow the dust out of my wallet. These days I use the SL for digital most of the time and for rangefinders, have gone back to film for a lot of the time. I am having my model III restored to close to as new condition by Cameraworks and given its tiny size, with one or other of my collapsible lenses (Elmar, Hektor or Summitar), makes a great pocket sized camera with my CL as an M mount alternative. I am a bit surprised not to have received an official announcement from Leica themselves, given I am on their professional register and usually get an email on release day. Wilson For SL users, M10 doesn't have much appeal. Similar IQ, same manual lenses, sluggish EVF. There is not much unless you do want RF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2247 Posted January 18, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I really like this camera. If you can imagine coming from a film M to this, it's perfect. There are many things the M240 tried to do. This just does what most of us want, and does it well. Most of us aren't interested in video or studio work. Most of us want to take holiday photos and photos of our family and pets. This is a wonderful camera for the M user. It's not designed to replace the M240 or a CaNikOny system, it's designed to be a digital replacement for a film M and I for one think it's a superb achievement. Well done Leica. Being an M-P 240 owner, it will be a couple of years before I get one but I can see it on the cards. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2248 Posted January 18, 2017 Sorry, I didn't get it: Was the M "perfectly capable" of tethering and "worked very well", or did you have to buy a "{edited} grip"? If you already use a perfectly capable M, why is this "outragous to existing M users"? My M9 works flawlessly tethered. The M, with a Multifunction grip, work flawlessly tethered. This is {edited} outrageous because it is EOL for a pro who has used it and built a whole entire system. End. Of. Life. This is the worst kind of bad!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2249 Posted January 18, 2017 I'm about to turn over the {edited} tables this is outrageous and not acceptable to existing M users!!! The M240 you had to buy a fucking grip to get a usb port. Now you have to buy a fucking SL body? Leica just shelved the M for Pro use. Seriously not cool Leica. Speak for yourself. I'm another existing M user, and I disagree. I suspect there'll be more than a few pros out there who will also disagree. Not everyone, pro or amateur, uses their camera in the same way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2250 Posted January 18, 2017 Speak for yourself. I'm another existing M user, and I disagree. I suspect there'll be more than a few pros out there who will also disagree. Not everyone, pro or amateur, uses their camera in the same way. Of corse I am speaking for myself! Why would I speak for others????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2251 Posted January 18, 2017 Ok. Now, when M10 finally introduced and we can see the technical specifications as well as preliminary reviews from Reid and Jono, we can predict the future of Rangefinder cameras system from Leica. I like the shape and ergonomics of M10 and i do appreciate the increased low light capabilities as well as better OVF. Its probably very good camera and will be best solution for M lenses. But with deepest sad i see that its the Dead End of M system in nearest future. Leica did not introduced nothing revolutionary in new M and I don't think that rangefinder technology has the capacity for revolutions at all. You can probably do some minor user friendly cosmetic changes to support current users of M lenses and owners of M lenses from film era, but you can't make anything new since M9. Looks like all engineering capacity Leica concentrated on SL System and probably Q based interchangeable lens system to come. M system is becoming niche and very limited product for aficionados and owners of M lenses. Leica simply can't drop M system - we still need something to put on our M lens. That way, not opposite. The core value of Leica is lenses not the cameras, especially in digital era. M10 is crossroad for me - I don't think that i will invest more money in next Leica M lens with the same willingness as i had when M9 was introduced.I have enough lenses to use. The question is - once M is dead end in terms of further development, what system can substitute it - SL or QL or MQ, whatever you may call it. M10 most probably the last M camera Leica developed to support current owners of M manual focus lenses. We will see M10 version 2, 3 etc. but its the end anyway. M system is unbeatable experience for art photography and I enjoy rangefinder focusing more than any other system camera. But M10 states clearly the dusk of the rangefinder technology. Thats my personal conclusion, quite pity, but evident for me. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2252 Posted January 18, 2017 Is it not black paint ?? It says black paint on the Leica site ! The technical data says "top deck and baseplate in brass with black or silver chrome finish." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2253 Posted January 18, 2017 My M9 works flawlessly tethered. The M, with a Multifunction grip, work flawlessly tethered. This is fucking outrageous because it is EOL for a pro who has used it and built a whole entire system. End. Of. Life. This is the worst kind of bad!!!!!! Are you Jonathan Pie by any chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2254 Posted January 18, 2017 I don't think this is careless or accidental; I think they are deliberately narrowing down the range of uses the M is suitable for - cutting the video is another sign. I still think Peter is right and the M10 is the latest simple version of the M and another new feature-bloated M with included mirror ball and USB is in the making. It's sure there is a market for such a device. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2255 Posted January 18, 2017 The technical data says "top deck and baseplate in brass with black or silver chrome finish." Oh well, that's it then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2256 Posted January 18, 2017 ... M10 most probably the last M camera Leica developed to support current owners of M manual focus lenses. We will see M10 version 2, 3 etc. but its the end anyway. M system is unbeatable experience for art photography and I enjoy rangefinder focusing more than any other system camera. But M10 states clearly the dusk of the rangefinder technology. Thats my personal conclusion, quite pity, but evident for me. Ed When the M9 was introduced, Leica said, it's the perfect digital M. When they introduced the M240 they said. "We cannot imagine how we could make it better". Now we have the M10. A few years ago they even introduced a "new" film M (which wasn't new, but just a reproduced M2/M4). Of course with the SL they have a complete new system. If the SL system attracts more and more costumers and the M sells less and less, it will die one day. For someone who already has an SL it would be strange if he bought a new M. May be there are still some around who are comfortable with the M, which never - since the times of the M3 - was a perfect system for all needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2257 Posted January 18, 2017 I am not sure I understand the comments on the "death of M". Can't you still buy a new flim M from Leica. What if M10 is the last digital M? What do M lovers fear? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2258 Posted January 18, 2017 The EVF is the biggest letdown.History rhyming with itself?At the price point, not acceptable. (I'll probably still end accepting it, though. Call me weak.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2259 Posted January 18, 2017 Oh well, that's it then... They offer the "á-la-carte" option with different finishes for the M(240): with black chrome you have to pay more. Perhaps now the offer a black paint version for the M10 for a surcharge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2260 Posted January 18, 2017 Anyone know if anything's be done about the dreaded noise reduction countdown? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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