Lord Lucan Posted January 6, 2017 Share #81 Posted January 6, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I love the 21 Elmarit 2.8 E60 on the M240 AHA Erlebnis by Albert K., on Flickr The only commment on this lens is that the focus is pretty steep (but very precise) so zone focussing is difficult. Never mind steep focus, this is a fine photo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4X5B&W Posted January 6, 2017 Share #82 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) I will say that Mandler lenses have a "LOOK" that defines a period in time. Are they sharper or contrastier than today's designs......not necessarily, but the Mandler look is one that people still like today and it certainly has been very influential in 35mm photography. I suspect there will always be a market for Mandler lenses - they are NOT considered old poor performing lenses. Lens performance includes more than just resolution. Wonderful lenses for Monochrom B&W shooting. Edited January 6, 2017 by 4X5B&W 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 6, 2017 Share #83 Posted January 6, 2017 some more of the 75 magic Welding magic :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 6, 2017 Share #84 Posted January 6, 2017 Herr Mandler was a Canadian, just like you btw. what happened? You don't have a drawer-full of his lenses anymore? Could it be it's: love-love-love-love-hate-love-love... for you? Or is it just the cold and the snow? Cheer up ! I do, drawer full and loving it. Which makes me realize what the magic is really about: they all fit into one drawer!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2017 Share #85 Posted January 6, 2017 So I used Nikkor AIs lenses on a Nikon FE, FE2 and F3/T for 25 years. Then, in 2010 I bought an M9 and 1.4/35 Summilux ASPH. After seeing the first set of photographs with the 35 Summilux I sold all my Nikon gear. No comparison.Sold my Nikon FE as soon as I could upgrade to their F line. All gone long ago.But I got a FE2 and a FM3a recently practically only for the R-1.4/80 with Leitax because for me focussing works better than my only R-Summilux on Canon with an EOS-adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 6, 2017 Share #86 Posted January 6, 2017 Never mind steep focus, this is a fine photo. I like my 21 Elmarit pre asph a lot , did not know the 21 E60 Asph version was a Mandler design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted January 6, 2017 Share #87 Posted January 6, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I like my 21 Elmarit pre asph a lot , did not know the 21 E60 Asph version was a Mandler design. I dont know who baked the cake, I like to eat it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 6, 2017 Share #88 Posted January 6, 2017 I like my 21 Elmarit pre asph a lot , did not know the 21 E60 Asph version was a Mandler design. Its a lens I would really like to try. I have an old 3.4 Super-Angulon and the 21SEM which are absolutely chalk and cheese - not even the same focal length! The 21 Elmarit pre-Asph should sit halfway which would be very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #89 Posted January 6, 2017 I like my 21 Elmarit pre asph a lot , did not know the 21 E60 Asph version was a Mandler design. E60 (11134) is the pre-asph version. It's indeed a Mandler design but not the E55 asph version (11135) which was launched in 1997 if memory serves after Walter Mandler retired in the eighties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 6, 2017 Share #90 Posted January 6, 2017 E60 (11134) is the pre-asph version. It's indeed a Mandler design but not the E55 asph version (11135) which was launched in 1997 if memory serves after Walter Mandler retired in the eighties. So, who is this after-Mandler dude and when should we start glorifying him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 6, 2017 Share #91 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) E60 (11134) is the pre-asph version. It's indeed a Mandler design but not the E55 asph version (11135) which was launched in 1997 if memory serves after Walter Mandler retired in the eighties. So this link is not listing correctly its designers and should be corrected : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/21mm_f/2.8_Elmarit_M https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mandler Edited January 6, 2017 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #92 Posted January 6, 2017 Sorry JMF but where do you see a contradiction with what i said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #93 Posted January 6, 2017 So, who is this after-Mandler dude and when should we start glorifying him? I don't know who was the designer of the 21/2.8 asph sorry but Walter Mandler he was not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 6, 2017 Share #94 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Sorry JMF but where do you see a contradiction with what i said? I am pleased to discover that one of my favorite lenses was designed by Walter Mandler, thanks to your post . Merely saying that this "LUF" link is not fully correct : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/21mm_f/2.8_Elmarit_M Edited January 6, 2017 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #95 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Hard to follow you sorry but you said above "did not know the 21 E60 Asph version was a Mandler design". All i stated is the 21/2.8 asph is not an E60 but E55 lens and is indeed not a Mandler design for the simple reason that Walter Mandler was retired when the lens was launched in 1997. Are we in agreement on this? Edited January 6, 2017 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 6, 2017 Share #96 Posted January 6, 2017 Actually lct, you did write the it's a Mandler design. You may have left out the "not" E60 (11134) is the pre-asph version. It's indeed a Mandler design but not the E55 asph version (11135) which was launched in 1997 if memory serves after Walter Mandler retired in the eighties. (highlighted by me) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #97 Posted January 6, 2017 The pre-asph is a Mandler design, not the asph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 6, 2017 Share #98 Posted January 6, 2017 ok, so in that case JMF is correct and the wiki needs correcting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #99 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) But where did the wiki make a mistake about the asph? Please point me to its erroneous statement if you don't mind. Edited January 6, 2017 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 6, 2017 Share #100 Posted January 6, 2017 The mistake on the wiki isn't in the 'asph' page, it's in the 'pre-asph' page, as already sent by JMF. (http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/21mm_f/2.8_Elmarit_M) which states: Designer - Otto Zimmermann, Heinz Marquardt, Hermann Desch and Eugen Hermanni - 16 Apr 1960 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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