Paulus Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share #161 Posted November 1, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where was the "party" announced? I'm genuinely curious. If there was a party announced, those who received the invitations were unusually quiet about it - I don't know if the invitations were already sent. I only know that the evening/night will not take place 22/23 November anymore. Let's see what will happens next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #162 Posted November 2, 2016 So lets be clear about this - a party you didn't know about and weren't interested in and which nobody else had mentioned has been cancelled. And therefore we will have a new M next year which will be 3.8mm thinner? I mean, this has got to sound convincing, hasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 2, 2016 Share #163 Posted November 2, 2016 I don't know if Steve Huff is invited for every party? Well for sure he wouldn't be invited to any party of mine.... I'd hire him as a clown though ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 2, 2016 Share #164 Posted November 2, 2016 I don't know if the invitations were already sent. I haven’t seen an invitation to a Leica party but having said that, Leica doesn’t always invite me to their parties anyway. I’m a nerd and nerds are no fun at parties; I can’t really blame them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 2, 2016 Share #165 Posted November 2, 2016 I haven’t seen an invitation to a Leica party but having said that, Leica doesn’t always invite me to their parties anyway. I’m a nerd and nerds are no fun at parties; I can’t really blame them. But, if they'r releasing a new M, and having a party to celebrate that it might or might not be 3.8mm thinner (in some dimension), then there's a high chance that one of the editors of the magazine called Leica Fotographie International would be invited. No matter how boring he might actually be at parties ... I recall you saying earlier in the year that if Leica was releasing a new M, you would be given a copy to review for LFI. That would be subject to an NDA; so if they had given you an M, you couldn't say so. However, as you hadn't been given an M, there was no NDA, so there was no legal constraint from you saying you hadn't been given a new M. Now, you know what's coming; are you able to say that you have not been given any information about a new M camera and you are not subject to an NDA; and, even better, can you say you are not aware of a new M? The party's just a bonus, because none of us have been invited either, so when a party we haven't been invited to or told about gets canceled, it's kind of low grade news. But if you say "no comment", it becomes rather more interesting. Silence will probably have the same effect - that might even mean the new M is smaller by 3.8mm in some dimension. I can hardly hold myself with the excitement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 2, 2016 Share #166 Posted November 2, 2016 Not by me to be sure. In fact I had said (a couple of times I think) there would be no new M at photokina. Indeed, twice. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted November 2, 2016 Share #167 Posted November 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Crikey I leave the forum for a few weeks and 9 pages to catch up on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 2, 2016 Share #168 Posted November 2, 2016 Now, you know what's coming; are you able to say that you have not been given any information about a new M camera and you are not subject to an NDA; and, even better, can you say you are not aware of a new M? The party's just a bonus, because none of us have been invited either, so when a party we haven't been invited to or told about gets canceled, it's kind of low grade news. But if you say "no comment", it becomes rather more interesting. Silence will probably have the same effect - that might even mean the new M is smaller by 3.8mm in some dimension. Well, you know how it is – if I knew about a slimmer new M I wouldn’t tell and if I didn’t know there wouldn’t be anything I could tell. In any case this 3.8 mm figure bandied about is not correct, not exactly anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 2, 2016 Share #169 Posted November 2, 2016 Well, you know how it is – if I knew about a slimmer new M I wouldn’t tell and if I didn’t know there wouldn’t be anything I could tell. In any case this 3.8 mm figure bandied about is not correct, not exactly anyway. But you could say "I don't know". Apparently you do! Which means there will be a new M at some stage; and it might, or might not be thinner, but it won't be 3.8mm! Now there's a surprise ... PS - okay, this gag has probably run for long enough, and Michael, you're a great sport! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 2, 2016 Share #170 Posted November 2, 2016 There will be a new M, that much I can say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 2, 2016 Share #171 Posted November 2, 2016 There will be a new M, that much I can say. And that you've said already, too, in the earlier thread. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 2, 2016 Share #172 Posted November 2, 2016 And that you've said already, too, in the earlier thread. To quote Lewis Carroll from ‘The Hunting of the Snark’: What I tell you three times is true. Yes, there will be a new M, eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted November 2, 2016 Share #173 Posted November 2, 2016 ^ keyword eventually mentioned! That's like saying "summer will come, eventually" in the middle of winter [emoji23] For if no new M would be coming, eventually, it would mean Leica has killed the product line or gone out of business. What a sneaky word to use [emoji16] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 2, 2016 Share #174 Posted November 2, 2016 What is the big rush? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #175 Posted November 2, 2016 So lets be clear about this - a party you didn't know about and weren't interested in and which nobody else had mentioned has been cancelled. And therefore we will have a new M next year which will be 3.8mm thinner? I mean, this has got to sound convincing, hasn't it? I'm just telling you what I have heard from two diffrent sources. What I don't know, I have also told you. I'm just telling you what I have been told. Not more, not less. I don't have to be convincing. The problems with rumours is, that you cannot verifiy if it's true, untill the real thing is in your hands. About the party: If this man says, there used to be a party, than I know he is right. He's a man to be taken very serious, as he has proved the last 20 years to me and he will be invited to it for sure. As I said , the only thing I really do know, is that I hear more rumours, from people who are " near " Leica than a few weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #176 Posted November 2, 2016 I can hardly hold myself with the excitement! Crossing your legs works, sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 2, 2016 Share #177 Posted November 2, 2016 It is quite simple really: Go to Leica’s website and look what is offered unter ‘M’. That’s what the M is as far as Leica earning money is concerned. These are the cameras that Leica can actually sell. Meanwhile they are also busy developing new stuff, but you cannot sell products still under development. Development means spending money, so Leica needs to sell the cameras they have which means they would rather talk about those than about something that isn’t ready. They will talk about it a lot once it is. Btw, that is also the reason vendors sometimes publish roadmaps for lenses, but rarely for cameras. New lenses typically augment the already existing lenses while a new camera model usually replaces an existing one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 2, 2016 Share #178 Posted November 2, 2016 I haven’t seen an invitation to a Leica party but having said that, Leica doesn’t always invite me to their parties anyway. I’m a nerd and nerds are no fun at parties; I can’t really blame them. Well you are certainly entertaining in this thread ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 2, 2016 Share #179 Posted November 2, 2016 Btw, that is also the reason vendors sometimes publish roadmaps for lenses, but rarely for cameras. New lenses typically augment the already existing lenses while a new camera model usually replaces an existing one. Lens roadmaps also help one consider a new camera system purchase and whether it potentially serves user needs/preferences. Too bad Leica hasn't done this, for example with the SL, unlike Fuji with the forthcoming GFX or Hasselblad, which indicates that a roadmap for 7-8 X1D lenses by end 2017 will be available in Q1 or Q2. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 2, 2016 Share #180 Posted November 2, 2016 It is a two-edged sword as Fuji, for example, has experienced: Some customers believe a roadmap to be set in stone and get upset when an expected shipping date slips or a lens turns out different from the original specs given in the roadmap. But yes, a roadmap for lenses is generally quite useful, especially for a new system. I wished Leica would adopt Fuji’s policy of regularly publishing updated roadmaps for lenses, at least for the SL/TL system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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