sml_photo Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share #101  Posted November 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) With my 21SEM, I see 28+90mm in the RF. I wonder if it's the same with the 24mm. Rather I wonder if it's supposed to be the same! (I see the 35mm lines) Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MT0227 Posted November 12, 2015 Share #102  Posted November 12, 2015 I wonder if it's the same with the 24mm. Rather I wonder if it's supposed to be the same! (I see the 35mm lines) Thanks.  One would think that if you go to 28mm or less; 28/90mm would be displayed as the default.  Is your M set to automatically pic up the lens code?  Try manually setting to see if that matters?  If your firmware is up to date?  I'm not sure what else to suggest other than calling Leica or performing a re-flash.  You also have the option to use the image field selector to change; not optimal but certainly an option if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 12, 2015 Share #103  Posted November 12, 2015 One would think that if you go to 28mm or less; 28/90mm would be displayed as the default.  Is your M set to automatically pic up the lens code?  Try manually setting to see if that matters?  If your firmware is up to date?  I'm not sure what else to suggest other than calling Leica or performing a re-flash.  You also have the option to use the image field selector to change; not optimal but certainly an option if needed. The lens code has nothing to do with frame line selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted November 13, 2015 Share #104  Posted November 13, 2015 Congratulation! Enjoy it.  Here is the list with the codes and it contains also the frameline pairs http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/leica-lens-codes/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sml_photo Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share #105  Posted November 13, 2015 Congratulation! Enjoy it.  Here is the list with the codes and it contains also the frameline pairs http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/leica-lens-codes/ Interesting resource! Thanks for sharing. Also, I contacted Leica yesterday and they confirmed that the 35mm lines are the ones that show with the 24mm Elmar mounted on the body. So, all is well in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 14, 2015 Share #106  Posted November 14, 2015  I thought I had heard that the 28mm lines would show in the finder, however it's the 35mm lines that I see in my M-P (240) Safari. You didn't read the response to your earlier question...  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/250847-24mm-lens-without-an-evf-or-finder/?p=2901860  Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sml_photo Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share #107  Posted November 14, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) You didn't read the response to your earlier question...  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/250847-24mm-lens-without-an-evf-or-finder/?p=2901860  Jeff Haha!  That's a riot! You're actually wrong...I did read it. But.....there are over 100 responses to this thread (and I've read them all in real time), but that particular post was from over a month ago...and before I received the lens. Frankly I forgot about it. I'm not sure I get the point of your response. What was the problem in asking again? Clearly, the issue has now been resolved. I will be the first to admit that I don't recall every response to every thread. I'm not impressed that you do. There are other things going on in our lives besides this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 15, 2015 Share #108  Posted November 15, 2015 Haha!  That's a riot! You're actually wrong...I did read it. But.....there are over 100 responses to this thread (and I've read them all in real time), but that particular post was from over a month ago...and before I received the lens. Frankly I forgot about it. I'm not sure I get the point of your response. What was the problem in asking again? Clearly, the issue has now been resolved. I will be the first to admit that I don't recall every response to every thread. I'm not impressed that you do. There are other things going on in our lives besides this forum.   Too funny.  Yep, I have no life.....you caught me...I live for your threads.   No worries....you'll forget my comment in a few days.  Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted November 17, 2015 Share #109 Â Posted November 17, 2015 Also, I contacted Leica yesterday and they confirmed that the 35mm lines are the ones that show with the 24mm Elmar mounted on the body. Â Â What I'd like to know is why? Â Since the 240 produces lines for 28mm, why not display the closest option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 17, 2015 Share #110 Â Posted November 17, 2015 What I'd like to know is why? Â Since the 240 produces lines for 28mm, why not display the closest option? So that the frame lines didn't block the very edge of the viewfinder and the 24mm outer edges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted November 17, 2015 Share #111 Â Posted November 17, 2015 I simply ignore everything except the patch while using 24mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted November 17, 2015 Share #112 Â Posted November 17, 2015 So that the frame lines didn't block the very edge of the viewfinder and the 24mm outer edges. Â The Safari will display 28,35,50,75,90 & 135. Â If I have a 24mm lens, it makes more sense to display 28/90mm; not 35/135mm. Â I have the 21mm SEM and I see 28/90 on my M-P240 Â Â I simply ignore everything except the patch while using 24mm. Â If I'm not using the EVF with my 21mm, I do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted November 18, 2015 Share #113 Â Posted November 18, 2015 What I'd like to know is why? Since the 240 produces lines for 28mm, why not display the closest option?Because 24mm is not 28mm and therefore to avoid confusing the lens mounted with the next closest focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted November 18, 2015 Share #114 Â Posted November 18, 2015 Because 24mm is not 28mm and therefore to avoid confusing the lens mounted with the next closest focal length. Â Then why does my 21SEM show 28mm lines and not 35mm; Â 21mm is not 28mm either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted November 19, 2015 Share #115 Â Posted November 19, 2015 Â Then why does my 21SEM show 28mm lines and not 35mm; Â 21mm is not 28mm either. I suppose it's because one doesn't even bother with the M finder for framing purposes: the lens coverage is so much greater than what you can see in the viewfinder, even with a 0.58x body as to render the finder useless -- at least that's been my experience when I've used a 21mm lens. I realise that you are probably a digital shooter, but if you want to frame using a built-in viewfinder with these super wides, you should look at a Bessa R4M or R4A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted November 19, 2015 Share #116  Posted November 19, 2015  I realise that you are probably a digital shooter, but if you want to frame using a built-in viewfinder with these super wides, you should look at a Bessa R4M or R4A.  Thanks Stephen...It just makes no sense to me to show 35 lines for a 24, when 28 is available.  I'd personally prefer lines closest to the length I'm using to make it somewhat useful as a reference; I'll leave it at that.  Depending upon the scenario and what I'm shooting at 21mm, I'll ether use LV, my EVF2 or  just use the patch and estimate what I think I have. So far, so good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 19, 2015 Share #117 Â Posted November 19, 2015 Frame selection is hard-wired into the mechanical construction of M lenses (it has to do with the length of one of the mounting flanges, that presses on a lever inside the lens mount of the camera) - and has been since 1954. So there are 60 years of lenses physically built to bring up certain framelines. Â That can't just be changed on a whim, without obsoleting those earlier lenses (or requiring that they all get major, expensive rebuilding by Leica). Â There are three "settings" or lengths for the mechanical flange. A short flange leaves the framelines at the spring-loaded default position - 35/135 lines. A slightly longer flange applies partial pressure to the camera's line selector lever, changing the lines to 50/75. An even longer flange moves the camera lever further and brings up the 28/90 lines. In the original M3 and M2, there was only one frame per setting: 135/50/90, or 35/50/90. Leica began doubling-up the frames with the M4 (35/135) and then the M4-P (28/90, 50/75) Â Leica COULD have designed the 24mm lens - back when it was introduced in the film era, 1997 or thereabouts - to bring up the 28 lines insread of the 35 lines. But they didn't. And in the case of the M8, that was a good idea! The M8 is the only Leica camera ever made that actually has a frameline for 24mm lenses built in (cropped viewing area). Â Had Leica followed your suggestion and designed the 24mm lens to bring up 28mm lines, the M8 would have shown three sets of lines at the same time with a 24 mounted - 24 and 28 (a bare mm apart - distracting), plus 90mm (since it is already hard-wired to come up when the 28 lines do). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted November 20, 2015 Share #118  Posted November 20, 2015 Thanks for the explanation Adan....there's many pieces to the answer I see.  Not fully understanding how the camera produces the frame lines was part of my confusion.  The last part about 24mm/M8 combo is a nice fact that helps make the issue clear.  Nice little history lesson, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted December 25, 2015 Share #119 Â Posted December 25, 2015 now that you have been using the lens for a few weeks any updates ? are you happy with your choice ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sml_photo Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share #120  Posted December 25, 2015 Yes, rsolomon, I have been using it for a few weeks. Were you directly your question to me (the OP, original poster)? It took me no time to get comfortable using it. In fact, it's been on my camera for several days! Very happy with my decision. I have always liked the focal length for my DSLR so it is an easy transition. As time went by, I ended up taking off the lens hood and just use a filter for protection. For the most part, I've been using it indoor and at night, so that hasn't been an issue. I'm still getting used to using the entire screen as the viewfinder. Not exactly accurate, but I'm learning how to approximate the final image. It is also not an issue....and that was the basis for my original question. Bottom line: Zero buyers' remorse. No second guessing or wondering if I made the right choice. And I am totally happy with my "arsenal" of the 24mm, 35mm, and 50mm. Thanks for asking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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