EdwardM Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share #981 Posted September 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) What are you comparing the M240 to? It must be a film camera. I can see that, but the M240 is really no larger than the M8. Why do so many people think that it is? M8 Max Thickness = 45mm (Includes 4-way switch and front button) Body Thickness = 37mm (as measured at bottom plate) Width X Height = 139mm X 80.5mm M 240 Max Thickness = 43mm (Includes thumbrest) Body Thickness = 38mm (as measured at bottom plate) Width X Height = 139mm X 80.7mm Measured with my Mitutoyo dial calipers. Now the weight is different, but the size is virtually the same. M9 vs M240 much more comfortable for me. never had m8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted September 21, 2015 Share #982 Posted September 21, 2015 A slimmer and lighter (and faster) M would be welcome indeed but adding more pixels and/or new features can hardly be of any help for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 21, 2015 Share #983 Posted September 21, 2015 I think the weight depends on the materials. The brass may be replaced by some light alloy, for instance. Overall size depends on fixed parameters. But there are tricks Leica could try, like increasing the protruding of the mount combining it with a thinner body. The battery and the thickness of the LCD screen constrain the minimum dimensions, so technology could be helpful here. Anyway, may M users may prefer a heavy brass-made body instead of a lighter magnesium-alloy body. They are (we are, I am) a very traditional public. In my humble opinion is the film M bodies feel better, and the reason is the thickness of the body. Moreover, I find the digital M (+ lens) a bit too heavy for a long day of shooting (my hand and wrist suffer). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 21, 2015 Share #984 Posted September 21, 2015 By the way, the quoted price includes a 50 cron kit lens. It is likely you are right. But 5,000 for the body and 2,000 (+/-) for the lens is not cheap either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted September 21, 2015 Share #985 Posted September 21, 2015 M9 vs M240 much more comfortable for me. never had m8. M8 and M9 are the same size, even the base plates are the same. The only difference is the removal of the circular LCD on the top plate and the addition of that step in the top plate. Probably it is the weight difference that makes the M 240 feel bigger, but it is actually not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 21, 2015 Share #986 Posted September 21, 2015 Yes, it should be launched around then, but not for this reason IMO. A better EVF would not be a reason to upgrade for me, as it is not the main viewfinding system, and, as I said, fit for purpose. If I wanted a beautiful EVIL camera, I would buy a beautiful EVIL camera, not necessarily a Leica. Whatever individual tastes may be, i just wanted to say that a brand like Leica can hardly sell an obsolete device with its brand new bodies in 2016 but YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2015 Share #987 Posted September 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, they will certainly do something new on the next iteration of the M. Expecting an EVF update on the M240 is an illusion IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2015 Share #988 Posted September 21, 2015 M8 and M9 are the same size, even the base plates are the same. The only difference is the removal of the circular LCD on the top plate and the addition of that step in the top plate. Probably it is the weight difference that makes the M 240 feel bigger, but it is actually not. And most of the weight difference is the battery. And the Video button of course.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 21, 2015 Share #989 Posted September 21, 2015 Well, they will certainly do something new on the next iteration of the M. Expecting an EVF update on the M240 is an illusion IMO. Not sure who's expecting this. We know well since september 2012 that the M240 can only feed whatever EVF at 30 fps. It was slow in 2012 yet, let alone in 2015 or 2016. So there is indeed something to do for the body itself if Leica don't want to sound ridiculous from this standpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted September 21, 2015 Share #990 Posted September 21, 2015 It is likely you are right. But 5,000 for the body and 2,000 (+/-) for the lens is not cheap either. €7000 at current exchange rates is £5100 which is what I paid for my M240 body 2 years ago so in Leica pricing terms €7000 for body + 50mm lens would seem fairly reasonable if hardly a bargain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 21, 2015 Share #991 Posted September 21, 2015 It is likely you are right. But 5,000 for the body and 2,000 (+/-) for the lens is not cheap either. Taking the price of the A7r2 in consideration, 7000$ for body + lens wouldn't be too exaggerated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 21, 2015 Share #992 Posted September 21, 2015 1.5 to 2.0 is the ideal multiplier for digital mirrorless AF systems, yes. And it implies almost 70mm throat diameter for 24x36 format or larger. That is too much for a normal body. Reflex cameras have longer flange distances, and this helps. I would have thought that shorter flange differences helped (for wide angle lenses at least). Especially at infinity for , where the real problems arise, and where the rear element is closer to the sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 21, 2015 Share #993 Posted September 21, 2015 The flange distance is not a problem per se. The light rays have to fall on the sensor surface orthogonally. A large rear element helps, specially with wide angle lenses, and so you need a wide mount throat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 21, 2015 Share #994 Posted September 21, 2015 Expensive, yes, but I would justify the cost by skipping one M generation. I'm very happy with the M240 after all. By the way, the quoted price includes a 50 cron kit lens. My thought too...I skipped the M9 too, btw, and it can be an interesting alternative to look at this new EVIL (supposed that the speculation is correct... ) and wait for the "new M" (which doesn't mean that I 'll buy definitely one of them ...) (damn ! Now I remember to have predicted that this thread would have reached 50 pages, but no more, before the announcement... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 21, 2015 Share #995 Posted September 21, 2015 It's got to reach 1,000 posts before we get any action. What does the lucky poster receive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likealot Posted September 21, 2015 Share #996 Posted September 21, 2015 4 more to go in that case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM Posted September 22, 2015 Share #997 Posted September 22, 2015 I'm in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted September 22, 2015 Share #998 Posted September 22, 2015 I'm curious, who will make the #1000 post? robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotograph Posted September 22, 2015 Share #999 Posted September 22, 2015 I'm curious, who will make the #1000 post? robert me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotograph Posted September 22, 2015 Share #1000 Posted September 22, 2015 ohh no..... missed by just 1 now I suppose i have to write something smart and meaningful.... well... I think, the new M will be: more modern, more expensive, more like Q and less then M9 - the question is if we want M to be that way.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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