FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1561 Posted October 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I thought the M ones are .... I love my M lenses and I should have not used the word "good" because they are as good as the S lenses but in a different way. M lenses have character that's unique to each lens. Optical perfection is not the only criteria in the design of an M lens, thankfully. I have limited experience with the S but from what I have seen they're quite different to the M lenses. More "perfect" technically. Optimised for sharpness across the frame even wide open. Very neutral blur. Very little vignetting wide open. I've often been tempted by the S because of the lenses and because they're different to the M. It's only the size that's put me off so far. A "S light" is a dream camera system for me. I don't need another M system. I've already got one of those Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colonel Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1562 Posted October 9, 2015 I love my M lenses and I should have not used the word "good" because they are as good as the S lenses but in a different way. M lenses have character that's unique to each lens. Optical perfection is not the only criteria in the design of an M lens, thankfully. I have limited experience with the S but from what I have seen they're quite different to the M lenses. More "perfect" technically. Optimised for sharpness across the frame even wide open. Very neutral blur. Very little vignetting wide open. I've often been tempted by the S because of the lenses and because they're different to the M. It's only the size that's put me off so far. A "S light" is a dream camera system for me. I don't need another M system. I've already got one of those Gordon I have also been tempted by the S Its actually a lovely to use camera Its just everytime I demo it I remember my last DSLR, the 5Dii, which I stopped taken out because of the weight. Just before I became a Leica nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1563 Posted October 9, 2015 Ever since using my Q, I seem to be letting my M-P collect more dust than my M246. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1564 Posted October 9, 2015 That says a lot for the Q. Damn shame you're letting the others go to waste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1565 Posted October 9, 2015 Hmm, shouldn't this belong in the German engineering thread in the bar? To get back to the OT if I may: Can we assume there won't actually be a new M this year? Maybe next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1566 Posted October 9, 2015 Hmm, shouldn't this belong in the German engineering thread in the bar? To get back to the OT if I may: Can we assume there won't actually be a new M this year? Maybe next? I wouldn't have thought so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1567 Posted October 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) To get back to the OT if I may: Can we assume there won't actually be a new M this year? Maybe next? Yes, I think, although all things are possible. Quite a few pages back mjh explained how the M (240) launch skewed the three-year cycle somewhat, due to Leica's wish to announce that camera at photokina. The camera didn't actually become available until 2013. 2013 + 3yrs = 2016. Not that I think a three-year cycle its necessarily set in stone though, I'm sure Leica can and will do what they think is best in terms of bringing new products to market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1568 Posted October 9, 2015 Yes, I think, although all things are possible. Quite a few pages back mjh explained how the M (240) launch skewed the three-year cycle somewhat, due to Leica's wish to announce that camera at photokina. The camera didn't actually become available until 2013. 2013 + 3yrs = 2016. Not that I think a three-year cycle its necessarily set in stone though, I'm sure Leica can and will do what they think is best in terms of bringing new products to market. I think it was Nikon that a while ago announce that they where no longer on "3-year cycles" and that new products will be annouced when there is a market for it. Why should Leica not do the same? The M240 is still selling quite ok and for each months longer it stays on the market Leica earns more more money per sold camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1569 Posted October 9, 2015 I think it was Nikon that a while ago announce that they where no longer on "3-year cycles" and that new products will be annouced when there is a market for it. Why should Leica not do the same? [...] Because the LV/EVF features of the M240 are too much outdated i suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1570 Posted October 9, 2015 I think it was Nikon that a while ago announce that they where no longer on "3-year cycles" and that new products will be annouced when there is a market for it. Why should Leica not do the same? For one thing the 3-year cycle has never been set in stone, just like Steve said. But then the development of a new camera generation needs time and Leica has to plan ahead, also to schedule resources between different projects and so on. Neither Nikon nor Leica could just decide on the spur of the moment that the time was ripe for a new model – there is no store room full of finished but state-of-the-art camera designs ready to enter the manufacturing stage at the management’s whim. So there will always be some kind of cycle, even when the frequency of product introductions may be variable – plus/minus 1 year or thereabouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1571 Posted October 9, 2015 Because the LV/EVF features of the M240 are too much outdated i suspect. Firstly I don't think the LV features are that outdated. Secondly the attached EVF certainly is, but my guess is most M users don't use it except for wide angle and telephoto lenses outside 28-90mm I wouldn't regard it, on its own, as a reason to update the camera. As the M is more evolution I expect a package of sensor, cpu and software changes at a time sensible for Leica. Knowing Leica they may chuck in some left of field innovations. Everyone probably knows by now what I want, a 4G sim capability as well as wifi. I couldn't give a fig about the OVF or RF, they are as good as I want them. Perhaps some more tweaking in that area. I have no interest in a hybrid OVF/EVF, but if Leica wanted to introduce one to satisfy some people I am fine with that, as long as there is a mode to be completely OVF. Same as focus confirmation, I have no need of this and in fact would find it misleading as I sometimes concentrate on one part of the patch, but if some folk want it that's fine by me. rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1572 Posted October 9, 2015 But then the development of a new camera generation needs time and Leica has to plan ahead, also to schedule resources between different projects and so on. Schedule resources - Vincent Laine please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1573 Posted October 9, 2015 Its just everytime I demo it I remember my last DSLR, the 5Dii, which I stopped taken out because of the weight. Just before I became a Leica nut colonel, the reward for schlepping around the S is much higher, worth the extra weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 9, 2015 Share #1574 Posted October 9, 2015 Firstly I don't think the LV features are that outdated. Secondly the attached EVF certainly is, but my guess is most M users don't use it except for wide angle and telephoto lenses outside 28-90mm I wouldn't regard it, on its own, as a reason to update the camera. As the M is more evolution I expect a package of sensor, cpu and software changes at a time sensible for Leica. Knowing Leica they may chuck in some left of field innovations. Everyone probably knows by now what I want, a 4G sim capability as well as wifi. I couldn't give a fig about the OVF or RF, they are as good as I want them. Perhaps some more tweaking in that area. I have no interest in a hybrid OVF/EVF, but if Leica wanted to introduce one to satisfy some people I am fine with that, as long as there is a mode to be completely OVF. Same as focus confirmation, I have no need of this and in fact would find it misleading as I sometimes concentrate on one part of the patch, but if some folk want it that's fine by me. rgds +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likealot Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1575 Posted October 10, 2015 Lou is correct: herewith a proposal to end this thread, and to create a new one entitled "What We Know About The October 20th Announcement" at such time as a fresh, credible rumor is published somewhere. I have tuned into this thread for, oh, about the past ten days only in hopes of finding new info about a possible M and, not incidentally, about the SL. I bet I'm not the only one... When someone starts invoking Adolf Hitler in a thread, it's time to end it... John, we are only 10 days away from the announcement and still none the wiser. The derailment probably happened because of that. I am one of the guilty parties and I apologise as it was not my intention to do so. Damn you Leica for being so good at secrecy. Even Apple could learn a thing or two from you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1576 Posted October 10, 2015 I'm still waiting for my invite to arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1577 Posted October 10, 2015 OK. I'm still waiting for my invite to arrive. I do believe it will arrive in about 10 days or so in the form of a huge GAS bubble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1578 Posted October 10, 2015 " Damn you Leica for being so good at secrecy. Even Apple could learn a thing or two from you. " I have to say, I'm on tentahooks with this release - Leica have kept this super secret this time. I recall in the past Apple had reportedly left a new upcoming iPhone in a bar.....quite a difference in marketing strategy! I agree with the previously written notion (from Michael H I think it was) that this new (mirrorless? SL?whatever it is..... ) camera release should allow Leica to keep the M a pure play rangefinder and not feel forced to change any of its underlying identity after decades of tradition. I like that potential outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1579 Posted October 10, 2015 ... keep the M a pure play rangefinder and not feel forced to change any of its underlying identity after decades of tradition. I like that potential outcome. Me too... The only risk is that if the new line is succesful, Leica will consider the M like "that old fashioned nice camera bought only by our loyal crowd..." and play hard the price game in future Ms... but I hope they won't be so cruel (and stupid...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1580 Posted October 10, 2015 M cameras will always need Visoflex finders IMO so i doubt the EVF will disappear at all. Then live view would stay as well so why not video? What could change is the optical rangefinder but this is another story. As for the success of an expensive EVIL, i don't want to wish Leica bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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