lct Posted July 26, 2015 Share #41 Posted July 26, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Will be difficult to do better than the M240 which has the best RF ever made IMHO. Unless Leica launches a 0.85x version of course but i would not hold my breath... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jpk Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share #42 Posted July 26, 2015 Unless Leica launches a 0.85x version of course Yeah, a .85x version would be great!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 26, 2015 Share #43 Posted July 26, 2015 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted July 27, 2015 Share #44 Posted July 27, 2015 the M3 finder was as good or better if you ask me... having had my own ups and BIG BIG downs with Leica service- I believe the OP's horror story more than some others on this thread. When my first m9 didn't focus right users on this forum jumped through many hoops trying to suggest it was all my user error. Every test photo I posted was poo-pooed- and I was lambasted for taking 'photos of rulers'. Eventually Leica serviced it and corrected the issue which did actually exist... after that the camera was good! Then I sold it and the new owner reported the sensor failed after a few months... the sensor was replaced- and it failed again! My M240 RF has been spot on- with many different vintage lenses. I am very happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 27, 2015 Share #45 Posted July 27, 2015 I believe that this behaviour of the forum is an attempt to provide balance to the few lunatics who make a big hubbub about ordinary miscalibrations and service delays when they didn't get the delux treatment their egos demanded and the few mischief makers who lie about their experiences with Leica. As you know, humans have a nasty habit of turning anecdote into data; this is why tales of woe are denigrated. Of course, I'm not suggesting that any poster in this tread is a member of the two categories I just mentioned. That would be inflammatory. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted July 27, 2015 Share #46 Posted July 27, 2015 I believe that this behaviour of the forum is an attempt to provide balance to the few lunatics who make a big hubbub about ordinary miscalibrations and service delays when they didn't get the delux treatment their egos demanded and the few mischief makers who lie about their experiences with Leica. As you know, humans have a nasty habit of turning anecdote into data; this is why tales of woe are denigrated. Of course, I'm not suggesting that any poster in this tread is a member of the two categories I just mentioned. That would be inflammatory. I call BS on this. I would say that most Leica users remain passionate about the brand despite the poor quality control and unreasonable service delays from Leica. I think that very very few are liars or lunatics. They've spent over 10 grad to shoot Leica and the service experience doesn't meet the price paid. I know that Leica Australia could learn a lot from how Olympus Australia do things. I'm currently at week 9 waiting for a simple rangefinder calibration. I have had two M9's. Both were out of calibration new out of the box. I have waited almost a year (11 months) to have a 90mm Summarit repaired and I had to threaten the local service agent with consumer affairs actions after the third attempt at calibrating my 135APO before it was finally repaired. I can't speak for others but in Oz, anything to do with a M240 is at least a 12 week trip to Germany. We tolerate this despite having actionable lemon laws that mean we can demand replacement or refund with this type of service. That tolerance doesn't make a three month wait acceptable. I have purchased 4 Leica digital M bodies new and it is immediately apparent that Leica didn't have the precision or quality control to meet the more demanding calibration standards that digital requires. They certainly seem to be improving. But out of those 4 only the M-P I received was accurately calibrated. Unless of course the 11 lenses I own are all out by exactly the same amount. It's also obvious that some area have better service than others from reading this forum. DAG and leica NJ seem to get good reviews. We don't have anything like those here, unfortunately. Gordon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted July 28, 2015 Share #47 Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I just got my M8 back from service for focus calibration at New Jersey - took 6+ weeks if memory serves. While waiting I bought a used M 240. Now I just found out that it's focus calibration is off. This is disheartening and I can see why many get upset about the issue: a premium price for a product demands premium performance. I am thinking the service times will only get worse (at least for a time) as Leica battles all the M9 sensor replacements. Edited July 28, 2015 by Loren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2015 Share #48 Posted July 28, 2015 it shouldn't. They have caught up with the bulk of replacements by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm_user Posted July 28, 2015 Share #49 Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe the rumored new M with electronic rangefinder will fix all of these problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted July 28, 2015 Share #50 Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe the rumored new M with electronic rangefinder will fix all of these problems? But not my problem! Unless I wanted to buy a new camera and of course the new M is strictly vapor-ware at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted July 28, 2015 Share #51 Posted July 28, 2015 it shouldn't. They have caught up with the bulk of replacements by now Have they? I thought that they had just announced a replacement sensor design has been selected, but I had no idea that it was already in production and installed in the majority of defective M9s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpk Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share #52 Posted July 28, 2015 they had just announced a replacement sensor design has been selected, but I had no idea that it was already in production Is this a confirmed information????? If yes please point us to the announcement and post a link! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2015 Share #53 Posted July 28, 2015 Have they? I thought that they had just announced a replacement sensor design has been selected, but I had no idea that it was already in production and installed in the majority of defective M9s. It isn't installed in any camera yet, they are still replacing with the old type. But there are few cameras coming in after the first wave. They will, in the future, only replace corroded sensors with the new type. By no means will there be a general recall. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai_Print Posted July 30, 2015 Share #54 Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) My mint used M240 was consistently back focusing by a fair bit, so I took a 2mm hex and got it perfect with all three of my lenses ( 28/2.8, 35/1.4, 50/2.0 ) at every distance except infinity which I rarely shoot at in Leica. Even the rented FLE is dead on, it's nice to be able to make that adjustment and just get back to work. Live view makes it a breeze. Edited July 30, 2015 by Ai_Print Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmuussoni Posted July 31, 2015 Share #55 Posted July 31, 2015 Maybe the rumored new M with electronic rangefinder will fix all of these problems? If the next generation M body will have more megapixels expect even more focus adjustment problems. Sad reality of the demands of the digital age. I think the the only way for Leica to cure all focus adjustment problems, is indeed to use an electronic rangefinder patch. That should cure the problems with one swift stroke. Having to send my M 240 for adjustment twice I am 100 % for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted July 31, 2015 Share #56 Posted July 31, 2015 If the next generation M body will have more megapixels expect even more focus adjustment problems. Sad reality of the demands of the digital age. I think the the only way for Leica to cure all focus adjustment problems, is indeed to use an electronic rangefinder patch. That should cure the problems with one swift stroke. Having to send my M 240 for adjustment twice I am 100 % for it. Agreed. An electric focus patch could be adjusted via the camera menus by the photographer, rather than going back to Leica for service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2015 Share #57 Posted August 1, 2015 My mint used M240 was consistently back focusing by a fair bit, so I took a 2mm hex and got it perfect with all three of my lenses ( 28/2.8, 35/1.4, 50/2.0 ) at every distance except infinity which I rarely shoot at in Leica. Even the rented FLE is dead on, it's nice to be able to make that adjustment and just get back to work. Live view makes it a breeze. Wouldn't it have been better to adjust the close focus screw instead and maintained correct infinity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpk Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share #58 Posted August 2, 2015 Yesterday I was in Munich. The people from the Leicashop there were really friendly and let me test a M 240 and 2 APO-Summicron 75s. I compared with my M 240 and my 75 and it was very clear that each combination of lens and camera showed a different focus: one combination was absolutely perfect, most other combinations were slightly off, my camera with my lens was by far the combination with the most wrong focus in the middle-far distance. So 1.) it's possible to have the focus right, and 2.) in my case the small misadjustment of the camera and the small misadjustment of the lens together add up in a realla unfavourable way... 3.) I guess I have to send in the M 240 with the 75 again...? But what if I get back these 2 items not matching the rest of my gear...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 2, 2015 Share #59 Posted August 2, 2015 If you send your 75/2 in together with your M240 it it will focus well with the latter but it is also possible that you have now problems with other lenses and bodies. To avoid that, i always send my bodies and lenses in separately personally. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 2, 2015 Share #60 Posted August 2, 2015 It is rather unlikely there will be a mismatch with other lenses (provided they are calibrated correctly) as the most Leica will do by individual adjustment is tolerance matching on the most critical lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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