Future2001 Posted July 9, 2015 Share #221 Posted July 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) But those other cameras aren't turning on rangefinder mechanisms at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mornnb Posted July 9, 2015 Share #222 Posted July 9, 2015 We don't need startup time that fast. It's not the rangefinder style of use. If you need speed other cameras will suit you better for machine gun style. I think it is more important for a Leica to be fast to turn on than it is for a DSLR. Street photography, you're pre-focusing and are waiting for a moment, when you see it the camera needs to be ready instantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrh68uk Posted July 9, 2015 Share #223 Posted July 9, 2015 Installed OK, nothing to report except that the info display bug that I told them about (and they confirmed) still hasn't been fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted July 9, 2015 Share #224 Posted July 9, 2015 We don't need startup time that fast. It's not the rangefinder style of use. If you need speed other cameras will suit you better for machine gun style. Yes we do. Rangefinder style of photography is actually about capturing the moment more than any type of camera. You can't have a laggy slow camera then. Cause that's quite the opposite of what the Leica film camera style of shooting actually is all about - being able to capture the moment, instantly, as it happens. Not to wait for your camera to turn on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 9, 2015 Share #225 Posted July 9, 2015 Then don't turn the damn thing off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 9, 2015 Share #226 Posted July 9, 2015 We don't need startup time that fast. It's not the rangefinder style of use. If you need speed other cameras will suit you better for machine gun style. What if we want start up time faster than that? What if it costs very little to implement? What if a new firmware with minimal changes causes more trouble in lost user hours than it fixes, due to, say, user profiles being lost after update? It has long been my opinion that no one can afford to write software and you have to marvel at those who try. Even when you are selling as many copies as MS Office you can not afford to catch all the bugs before the users get their hands on it. We don't have needs, we have wishes, it would be nice to be told why we aren't granted them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 9, 2015 Share #227 Posted July 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Last message is deliberately multifaceted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 9, 2015 Share #228 Posted July 9, 2015 I can think of a few well-known Leica photographers who would have wanted quick start up (and it's not the rangefinder mechanism starting up ). Start up time is a trade-off: we accept it because it comes with the electronic territory, which brings its own benefits. But in itself, it is a step backwards in performance from the mechanical camera. For some people it's a trade-off with no downside for them; for others it is important. In comparison, my (Sony) smartphone takes an age to start up, but wakes up instantly from sleep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 9, 2015 Share #229 Posted July 9, 2015 Then don't turn the damn thing off. Battery performance is not good enough for me to want to leave it on permanently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted July 9, 2015 Share #230 Posted July 9, 2015 Then don't turn the damn thing off. It's not the quickest to resume from sleep either... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 9, 2015 Share #231 Posted July 9, 2015 Then don't turn the damn thing off. Really ? This is getting ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted July 9, 2015 Share #232 Posted July 9, 2015 Any changes in image qualify or any other not reported, seems very little in this version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2015 Share #233 Posted July 9, 2015 The only thing is to work around it. When carrying the sleeping camera tap the shutter in anticipation of a developing photographic situation and don't let it turn off when in media res. I cannot say my other computers, from my cell Phone to my car, are quicker, rather the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2015 Share #234 Posted July 9, 2015 There is no excuse for a Leica to be unable to compete with a disposable film camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 9, 2015 Share #235 Posted July 9, 2015 Really ? This is getting ridiculous. Nothing ridiculous about it. If you choose that style of photography you need to have a camera ready. Simple. Missing a shot is human error not a camera error. You know what it is and what it isn't. You can wish and hope and stamp your feet and condemn the camera maker all you want but if they changed it users would cry about something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 9, 2015 Share #236 Posted July 9, 2015 Hmm well I'm not doubting those who measured the start up time of the M240 and found it unacceptibly slow, but in practical use I have never noticed it presents a problem. If I give the button a tap it has always been fully awake by the time I get it to my eye. That can't be more than half a second?? I'm using an assortment of old 2GB SD cards and new 16GB ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted July 9, 2015 Share #237 Posted July 9, 2015 So I get an email from Leica this morning saying the updated FW is now available. As usual Windows can't open the file and even though I have downloaded from Leica site there is a communication problem. I swear this happens every damn time they do an update. I think since the M8 came out I've been able to successfully download to the camera one time (okay maybe twice). The only reason I'm even interested in this FW update is that I have had a problem with the LV being slow to implement. On the other topic of startup time - I've never had a problem, certainly not with the M-P. Personally, I find obsessing about startup time to be a tempest in a teapot. As to battery life - the M-P is so much better than the CCD cameras it's not even funny. I don't even need a second battery. My dos centavos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 9, 2015 Share #238 Posted July 9, 2015 Hmm well I'm not doubting those who measured the start up time of the M240 and found it unacceptibly slow, but in practical use I have never noticed it presents a problem. If I give the button a tap it has always been fully awake by the time I get it to my eye. That can't be more than half a second?? I'm using an assortment of old 2GB SD cards and new 16GB ones. I agree ...... all you need to do is get into the habit of pressing the shutter button/switching on as you lift the camera up to frame and focus .... and the camera is always ready before you have viewed the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted July 9, 2015 Share #239 Posted July 9, 2015 I've encountered many times when I'm waiting for the framelines to show up in the rangefinder of the M240 (resuming from sleep, power on). The MP (film) however is always ready. Always. And I use the recommended SanDisk 64GB SDXC card formatted with SDFormatter. And I completely understand the difference between a mechanical camera and electronic. The point is, however, rangefinders were selected back in the days because of their responsiveness and quick handling. Todays electronic M's however are quite the opposite. Slow at resuming/powering on, extremely slow with live view/evf, slow at write speeds and flushing the buffer compared to the competition, and in general, just... slow. Yes, I can adapt. But I don't want to. I want a responsive camera similar to the analog M cameras of the last 60 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 9, 2015 Share #240 Posted July 9, 2015 . As usual Windows can't open the file .......... You don't open the file - you just copy it to your SD card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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