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Lots of tweaks we'll see in the next firmware update.

 

I would like to point out two things regarding the Leica Q app for my iPhone which I actually use a lot.

 

When finishing a long shoot I often sit down and connect my Q with my iPhone and sift through the photos and delete the ones that I have no use of. One thing that I find rather annoying is that when I have selected an image for full screen viewing on my iPhone and decide to delete it, I am automatically thrown back into the album view again in stead of seeing the next image also in full screen (as the case is when I'm viewing and deleting the images in the Q itself).

 

Also, I would love if the app could rotate the images automatically to the correct position when I view them in full screen.

 

Both rather small niggle that should be easy to correct. :)

 

Thanks, Al

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If and when all the proposed tweaks are incorporated in the next firmware update, we will need a new manual and need to re-learn the logic behind menu options and settings.    Personally, I don't want a complicated Q.  I learn to use whatever the camera delivers and I have no complaints.   Many of us are also rangefinder users and it seems to me that this move away from the simple rangefinder concept to the Q has elicited loads of comments about missing features or wrong design decisions.  Now we are clamouring for all the features found on other bodies.  My M9 is great.  Autofocus was all I needed.   Previously I ditched my Canon and Sony gear to return to simple and unambiguous settings.  Let's not now create a Leica monster equivalent. 

Hopefully, Leica engineers will whittle down the myriad of forum recommendations and choose just a few for the first firmware update. Some potential buyers may be disappointed, but if - as it seems - they already have the features on their existing systems, then why change?

 

My opinion!

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I am sure there will be some changes and one or two bugs have been reported. With the M240 some serious changes were made to the firmware and the way the camera operated which were on the whole greatly welcomed and appreciated by Leica M users without the need for great changes to the original manual as upgrade notes were supplied with the new firmware. I am sure the case will be the same with the Q. Just think of the enormous improvements that fuji has made to it's X series cameras over the years through firmware upgrades.

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  • 5 weeks later...
 

 

I have the Q now since some weeks and the D-LUX 109 since november.

 

The suddenly disappearing level gauge at the Q is a real problem when you want to use autofocus in the mentioned way. It was a surprise. For the most FW problems and missing buttons a workaround is possible, but here a real workaround doesn't exist. Focussing with the thumb button or with the arrows? / or too: disable autofocus? - why then the Q.

 

You can try to set grid only but the black information line at the bottom side of the monitor is the next problem. Precise framing is difficult using the monitor.

 

So a correct freehanded picture of architecture, correctly level and correctly framed is more pure coincidents. My first impression after some weeks:

 

The Q is not really usable for architectural shots.

Perhaps you didn't know that beforehand.

 

Before you get headache:

These problems don't exist at the D-LUX, have a look at it.

 

The level gauge doesn't disappear suddenly, no black stripes appear at the bottom or top side of the monitor, instead info in a good way at the lower side of the monitor, precise framing correctly level is very easy here.

 

The D-LUX is usable for architectural shots, here you can shoot in the mentioned very fast way, many do so, it is not expensive, but is that a problem?

 

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I have the Q now since some weeks and the D-LUX 109 since november.

 

The suddenly disappearing level gauge at the Q is a real problem when you want to use autofocus in the mentioned way. It was a surprise. For the most FW problems and missing buttons a workaround is possible, but here a real workaround doesn't exist. Focussing with the thumb button or with the arrows? / or too: disable autofocus? - why then the Q.

 

You can try to set grid only but the black information line at the bottom side of the monitor is the next problem. Precise framing is difficult using the monitor.

 

So a correct freehanded picture of architecture, correctly level and correctly framed is more pure coincidents. My first impression after some weeks:

 

The Q is not really usable for architectural shots.

Perhaps you didn't know that beforehand.

 

Before you get headache:

These problems don't exist at the D-LUX, have a look at it.

 

The level gauge doesn't disappear suddenly, no black stripes appear at the bottom or top side of the monitor, instead info in a good way at the lower side of the monitor, precise framing correctly level is very easy here.

 

The D-LUX is usable for architectural shots, here you can shoot in the mentioned very fast way, many do so, it is not expensive, but is that a problem?

 

The reason why the D-lux works and the Q does not is, because the D-lux is no Leica.

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Hi everyone,

I have been using my new Q for the last 11 days or so and have picked up on a few 'quirks' and raised a separate post listing them and asking for comments and advice.

 

On the recommendations of more experienced posters that it would be better to 'log' my experiences and enquiries here as well, as most of them may be addressed (hopefully) by firmware updates.

 

The link to my original posting is :

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/250332-various-operational-quirks/

 

I apologise if many these points have already been identified here, but I was gathering all my findings together as a single user experience.

 

As stated in my original posting, these issues are not stopping me enjoying using the Q - it is a cracking camera indeed!

 

Along with many other users I just hope Leica will pick up on the points raised here in this topic posting and address as many of them as possible in their first firmware update. This will enhance the handling and operation even more.

 

Thanks for reading.

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I've been using the Leica Q for about a month. I'm in the "love it" category, even though it's certainly not perfect.

 

A firmware observation: It's a strange inconsistency. But now that I'm writing it up, I think maybe it really is a feature rather than a bug.

  • Set the camera to auto-everything mode. The upper-right thumb dial manages "Program" mode and selects between the combinations of shutter speed and aperture. To get to exposure compensation, you need to use the menus.
  • Now select an aperture (ie, Aperture-priority mode). The dial now controls exposure compensation.
  • Now return to Automatic aperture, and the dial remains as the exposure compensation control instead of controlling Program mode as above.
  • You can get the control back to Program mode either by (a) pressing the shutter release half way, or ( B) waiting three seconds.
Now that I know what it does, I may just take advantage of it! My only wish is that there was a way to do the opposite: to force the control into exposure compensation while in full-Auto mode. At least I know I can turn the aperture ring to f/1.7 then turn it back to get that mode for three seconds.
 

Also, as far as the DoF preview, I find the half-press works fine. I much prefer it over having another button to deal with. It's also a "picture" preview, showing you approximate exposure, etc. Before you press the shutter release half-way, the EVF and LCD show you the camera's interpretation of "best possible" image at f/1.7.

 

With regards to 'forcing' the Thumb-wheel into exposure compensation adjustment function, first set the Fn Button to Exposure. Any time you require exposure compensation just press the Fn Button and the Thumb-wheel reverts to compensation adjustment. 

 

In fact, this also works when the Thumb-wheel takes on intermediate shutter speed settings with manually selected shutter speeds.

 

As you noticed, once the function is selected it remains so until the shutter button is depressed or the camera times out after 3-4 seconds.

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From my brief use of the camera I would like t

1. to see access to the focus settings through the fn button

2. 2. It would be great if the focus spot could be made to recenter after a shot as you can with Sony A7 series by pressing the delete button.

I am a new owner of the Q and also came from an A7.   I liked the #2 feature you mentioned on the A7.   I found an EXTREMELY usable work around.   Touch to focus without release.   Same concept, I just need to "touch" a different button....AND in addition, I can put it wherever I like...not just dead center after I hit the delete button.   I knew it would be a be change after almost 2 years of shooting the A7, but from everything I saw pre purchase, it would just be re wiring my brain around a new UI

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With regards to 'forcing' the Thumb-wheel into exposure compensation adjustment function, first set the Fn Button to Exposure. Any time you require exposure compensation just press the Fn Button and the Thumb-wheel reverts to compensation adjustment. 

 

In fact, this also works when the Thumb-wheel takes on intermediate shutter speed settings with manually selected shutter speeds.

 

As you noticed, once the function is selected it remains so until the shutter button is depressed or the camera times out after 3-4 seconds.

Thank you enQuirer, great -exactly what I was looking for-

 

And here the idea for the Leica engineering, if anyone should read this:

As soon as the shutter button is half depressed (and hold in this state) the thumb wheel looses its function,

 

this half depressed state of the shutter button can be used for the thumb wheel operation:

 

it opens the possibility to realize the behaviour of the M9: as soon as the shutter button is half depressed (and hold depressed) than the wheel of the M9 adjusts compensation, this could in the same way be realized at the Q with the thumb wheel, without changing anything else of the thumb wheel behaviour.

 

(Then the valuable Fn-button is free again for other things, - but I have to say, the re-config of the Fn-button "on the fly" works rather well.)

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A lot of this stuff is just not being used to the Leica Q UI.  For most photographers, this is NOT their first camera and people want this to behave like something else.   Leica is on the tale end of innovation its no secret.

 

So here is my request:  I get that Leica assigned the live view preview to occur under two circumstances (half press shutter or reassigned Zoom button press and hold) and that's a UI we can get used to.  BUT...but but but.....how about while using the Leica UI, I can make adjustments dynamically or live?   Right now the way it stands, you check your live view exposure using the above meathod, release the button, make another adjustment, depress and check, release, make another adjustment, depress and check again.   Kinda time consuming....a depress and adjust to desired exposure live, then release the shutter would be nice.   This may already be a function, I just haven't figured out how to do it.   Thanks.

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Leica is on the tale end of innovation its no secret.

 

What makes you think so?

 

Right now the way it stands, you check your live view exposure using the above meathod, release the button, make another adjustment, depress and check, release, make another adjustment, depress and check again.   Kinda time consuming.

Did you check your exposure that way with your other cameras? If so, why? That strikes me as a very unreliable way of finding the proper exposure.

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What makes you think so?

 

Did you check your exposure that way with your other cameras? If so, why? That strikes me as a very unreliable way of finding the proper exposure.

My better half always tells me I have a way with words.   Yeah, I guess that wasn't a nice thing to say on a Leica forum.   I was referring to the auto focus mirror less camera market....not rangefinders in general.   Leica gained their reputation for LEADing the way years ago and have had many firsts in the industry.  I see and feel a quality difference with my Q that just wasn't there on my Sony A7...and that's just the truth.   Remember, I am also a Leica owner and didn't intend to bash Leica.  BUT, many of the firmware updates being sought here are things that have already being done on other mirrorless systems....that also is just the truth.  From my experience with the Q so far, as it stands, is a very capable camera, people have just seen other options out there in other mirrorless cameras systems and are asking Leica to bring those features into their arsenal.   

 

Yes I have always checked for MY CUSTOM exposure this way on my other mirrorless Sony A7.  You used the term "proper exposure" and I think that's where you misunderstood me.  I understand the concept may be hard to understand in the classic rangefinder and DSLR world, but its my point exactly in reference to tail end of innovation into the MIRRORLESS autofocus camera market.  Say you want to blow some highlights out for a given shot...or maybe under expose shadows for a user defined under exposed shot...not "proper", but CUSTOM.  Please describe other methods of quickly adjusting and checking LIVE VIEW for a user defined (not "proper" exposed image) on the Q?  Mirrorless owners have already had live view for some years now...we can see our final shot before its taken AND we can see our custom exposures BEFORE the shot is taken.   This thread was for a firmware updates and mine was a suggestion to help out the live view firmware....unless its already on the Q and someone can give me another method of doing a custom exposure...this is a new camera UI for me and I HATE reading manuals.

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