cirke Posted June 10, 2015 Share #401 Posted June 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Whatever happened to that weird Sony strap-on camera you were going to get? I can change my mind within 2 seconds I have no rules , this is my strength and my weakness :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike Rawcs Posted June 10, 2015 Share #402 Posted June 10, 2015 Buyers prefer the mystique and many refuse to believe that anything with a Leica badge isn't crafted entirely by hand in Germany. Look at the fools who swear blind that Leica's aren't made by Panasonic! I can understand Leica's preference for ambiguity to be fair. I understand the reason, but it opens up the possibility that we are being asked to pay a price for something crafted entirely by hand in Germany ... that isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 10, 2015 Share #403 Posted June 10, 2015 I can change my mind within 2 seconds I have no rules , this is my strength and my weakness :-) In that case you changed your mind in the right direction. It was a bit of nonsense-ware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 10, 2015 Share #404 Posted June 10, 2015 I understand the reason, but it opens up the possibility that we are being asked to pay a price for something crafted entirely by hand in Germany ... that isn't. Please quote where Leica claims "entirely made by hand in Germany".... Their text is "in one of our factories". Which implies Portugal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 10, 2015 Share #405 Posted June 10, 2015 And that is the case, what does it matter? Unlike the panaleicas there is no alternative purchase plan and Leica isn't set to discount to counter that the bits are made everywhere. Most manufacturers are assemblers of parts that are sourced globally., That Iphone is made in China, but if you truly follow the geography of what goes into it, it is truly a global product assembled in China. BTW, the country of origin stamp was something the English demanded first in the 19th century to counter the flood of cheap goods coming in from Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted June 10, 2015 Share #406 Posted June 10, 2015 In that case you changed your mind in the right direction. It was a bit of nonsense-ware. You are right :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 10, 2015 Share #407 Posted June 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Indeed - the Q will have parts from all over the place, much of it will be sourced in the Far East. If the end product delivers, what does it matter where the sensor comes from, or where the lens is made? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted June 10, 2015 Share #408 Posted June 10, 2015 Please quote where Leica claims "entirely made by hand in Germany".... Their text is "in one of our factories". Which implies Portugal... Jaapv, I'm not a troll; I'm a long-term Leica user who just wants to know that the Leica he is potentially going to buy is up to the standard of his previous purchases. From what I have read the Q will probably exceed all previous purchases in the quality of results. You should not equate a genuine concern with an attack on Leica which needs defending. The text 'in one of our factories' does imply Portugal. I'm fine with Portugal. The statement that the lenses for the T are 'not Panasonic and not Fuji' less so (like who?). Similarly with who makes the sensor for the Q: what's the big secret? As stated previously, the Q will probably exceed all previous purchases in the quality of results, so why make an ambiguity about it? We have had our disagreements on this thread, please know that it isn't personal and that I always value your opinion. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 10, 2015 Share #409 Posted June 10, 2015 We have had our disagreements on this thread, please know that it isn't personal and that I always value your opinion. Well said, though Jaap can be a completely unrestrained fanboy ... Sorry, I should have said, can come across as a bit of a fanboy ... Sometimes ... Or should that be, gives the appearance that Leica can do not wrong ... Maybe I should get my coat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 10, 2015 Share #410 Posted June 10, 2015 Nice camera (which I don't plan to buy....) : my first impressions are : - They have found a really impressive EVF in terms of resolution.... I'd be curios to know who is the manufacturer... it's probably brand new, so can be further developed in terms of IQ... which makes me think it will be maybe adopted on some future (not fixed lens... ) model - I don't understand well why they have integrated that "digital zoom" ... probably it has been a rather cheap implementation (in practice, an in camera crop of jpg only)... my wiew of this feature is that is a sort of "blink" to Leica users who liked the frame selector lever... it's practical usage isn't so different from an honest crop in PP. - 50.000 ISO is also impressive... I hope they have decided to play SO hardaball on this side with serious motivations... it wouldn't be pleasant to see reviews in which the 50K ISO are treated as a pure marketing plot (I seem to haven't seen yet, in the preliminary reviews, tests on the usabilty of this Ultrahigh ISO) . finally, I'm curios to see, in case, some tech considerations about the probable diameter of lens "Mouth" vs, thickness of the body.... I mean .. about the possibility that on this base body they develop an interchangable lens mount with contacts/actuations for AF keeping the space/capability of a M adapter.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 10, 2015 Share #411 Posted June 10, 2015 - 50.000 ISO is also impressive... I hope they have decided to play SO hardaball on this side with serious motivations... it wouldn't be pleasant to see reviews in which the 50K ISO are treated as a pure marketing plot (I seem to haven't seen yet, in the preliminary reviews, tests on the usabilty of this Ultrahigh ISO) I think Steve Huff has some images at 50k. Grainy as you'd expect, but not ugly, and the colour holds up adequately. Works, but emergency only, if that is representative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 10, 2015 Share #412 Posted June 10, 2015 The statement that the lenses for the T are 'not Panasonic and not Fuji' less so (like who?). Similarly with who makes the sensor for the Q: what's the big secret? As stated previously, the Q will probably exceed all previous purchases in the quality of results, so why make an ambiguity about it? I think Kyocera (or whatever group they are now) would be strong contenders for the T lenses. They made previous lenses and cameras for Leica. As for the sensor, well there aren't that many sensor manufacturers out there. We know it's not Sony or Fuji so that leaves just a handful of others. Try phoning a designer label and asking who makes their suits! The £1000 ready made suit might be made on the same production line as the £50 suit. Different material, spec, etc., but same sweatshop, same people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 10, 2015 Share #413 Posted June 10, 2015 Well said, though Jaap can be a completely unrestrained fanboy ... Sorry, I should have said, can come across as a bit of a fanboy ... Sometimes ... Or should that be, gives the appearance that Leica can do not wrong ... Maybe I should get my coat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebf Posted June 11, 2015 Share #414 Posted June 11, 2015 My heart is beating like crazy today. 3 weeks after getting my M-P240, Leica releases the Q. The Software Engineer inside me screams "BUY IT!". Now Sony releases the amazing A7rii. Oh god. What a machine... The same software engineer screams "NO, forget the other one. BUY THIS!". I'm buying it. It will be a very good (ahem) second body to my M-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted June 11, 2015 Share #415 Posted June 11, 2015 My heart is beating like crazy today. 3 weeks after getting my M-P240, Leica releases the Q. The Software Engineer inside me screams "BUY IT!". Now Sony releases the amazing A7rii. Oh god. What a machine... The same software engineer screams "NO, forget the other one. BUY THIS!". I'm buying it. It will be a very good (ahem) second body to my M-P. Well, you brought up Sony's A7rii, a 'release' that they 'pulled-off' today a few hours after Leica released the Q. It certainly seems Sony had this release ready to go at just the right time to steal Leica's big day, and what a shrewd business decision too. I don't recall any firm dates announced for that announcement either. It seems Sony is learning that the market share they've won over the last few years is worth 'protecting'. All this shows that while Leica stepped forward with a seemingly impressive effort, they have seen what awaits them in a new way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted June 11, 2015 Share #416 Posted June 11, 2015 I seemed to have forgotten where I read that the development time for the Q was 16 months? Or maybe not, too, that would seem like a really short amount of time and would have me guessing that Leica and Panasonic developed it together? Anyone know anything along those lines? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnPirat Posted June 11, 2015 Share #417 Posted June 11, 2015 realy a nice Cam! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 11, 2015 Share #418 Posted June 11, 2015 Well, you brought up Sony's A7rii, a 'release' that they 'pulled-off' today a few hours after Leica released the Q. It certainly seems Sony had this release ready to go at just the right time to steal Leica's big day, and what a shrewd business decision too. I don't recall any firm dates announced for that announcement either. It seems Sony is learning that the market share they've won over the last few years is worth 'protecting'. All this shows that while Leica stepped forward with a seemingly impressive effort, they have seen what awaits them in a new way. Seriously doubt this Sony has released 3 cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 11, 2015 Share #419 Posted June 11, 2015 I seemed to have forgotten where I read that the development time for the Q was 16 months? Or maybe not, too, that would seem like a really short amount of time and would have me guessing that Leica and Panasonic developed it together? Anyone know anything along those lines? Unless you have some inside knowledge I would suspect that Panasonic has had zero to do with the camera, as it has with the M, T and X series. It's entirely possible however they supplied a capacitor or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturmi Posted June 11, 2015 Share #420 Posted June 11, 2015 I want them to release three Q's. A 2mm, 50mm and 90mm fixed lens cameras. Interchangeable lens cameras instead of interchangeable lenses. I can dream can't I. Gordon Excellent point !! Even just two models, a 28 mm and a 75 mm, would be fine... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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