jaapv Posted February 15, 2015 Share #61 Posted February 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mine keeps disconnecting. That is quite impossible if you fit it correctly. See the FAQ: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/308500-leica-m8-m8-2-m9-m9p-4.html#post2554358 If you use the strap supplied with the 240, those split rings are excellent quality and should not disconnect either. Contact Leica if they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted February 15, 2015 Share #62 Posted February 15, 2015 I use Annie Barton wrist straps and my M240 suddenly hit the ground as I was walking along. <Gulp!> The split ring had pulled apart under the weight of the camera and gradually unwound without my noticing. I've checked the split rings on other Annie Barton straps and they all appear to be lightweight so if you're using an Annie Barton strap - especially a wrist strap where the full load rests on a single split ring - then I recommend changing the split ring(s) for better quality ones bought from a hardware store that's not staffed by untrained, pimply-faced youths who know f.a. about f.a. (Yes, I found one of those where 'Pimples' attempted to sell me a split ring designed for jewellery.) Annie Barton has been informed that its split rings are not suited to carrying cameras, which after all is what they're designed to do, and has promised to look into it. Fortunately my camera landed on its bottom corner on the tarmac and survived with a small dent in the bottom plate and rangefinder calibration intact. Well done, Leica. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted February 15, 2015 Share #63 Posted February 15, 2015 I've been using split rings on many cameras for forty years and never had one disconnect. If in fitting the split ring it doesn't feel like it is going to tear your fingernail off, or you genuinely need a screwdriver to prise it apart, then the split ring should be thrown away and a stronger one sought. My experience and advice as well. The Voigtlander (aka A&A) cloth straps I have on my Leica's have extremely stubborn split rings. Only a pitifully weak one could possibly get opened simply by gravitational pressure against the edge of the lug. And even then it needs to rotate almost a full circle,unnoticed by the user, before it comes undone. What is wrong with the Leica strap? For one thing the pad nubs are harsh against skin or through a thin shirt. For another thing the plastic connector sliders add significant bulk compared with a simple and effective good-quality split ring. Lastly the connectors neither grip the strap loop strong enough to prevent it from slipping through nor allow it to slip freely. I wind my strap around the camera in the bag and I found every time I took it out I would have to pull the loop an inch or so through the connector so the loop was symmetric. Before switching to the Voigtlander straps I had replaced the Leica connectors with split rings, and it was a huge improvement, aside from the pad nubs. I never knew it too could be removed, that the strap ran entirely through the pad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 17, 2015 Share #64 Posted February 17, 2015 I have spent quite a lot of time this afternoon trying to get a shrink sleeve over the join of the split ring on my Luigi Silky strap and failed. It is next to impossible to get the sleeve correctly positioned over the joint, as the thin 2.5mm sleeve is just too floppy to get it pushed round the ring into position across the join. With the leather body protector, the camera lug and the strap itself, there is very little room to play with. I thought I had it on one time but when I shrunk it (a bit nerve tingling with a micro turbo stick lighter's flame that near the camera body), found it had slid off one half of the ring joint. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 17, 2015 Share #65 Posted February 17, 2015 I have spent quite a lot of time this afternoon trying to get a shrink sleeve over the join of the split ring on my Luigi Silky strap and failed. It is next to impossible to get the sleeve correctly positioned over the joint, as the thin 2.5mm sleeve is just too floppy to get it pushed round the ring into position across the join. With the leather body protector, the camera lug and the strap itself, there is very little room to play with. I thought I had it on one time but when I shrunk it (a bit nerve tingling with a micro turbo stick lighter's flame that near the camera body), found it had slid off one half of the ring joint. Wilson I tried the very same thing yesterday and gave up. It kept getting caught where the ring splits and it would snag a hole in it. I have never had a problem in 40 years with a Leica strap coming off and I have Arte di mano straps now. Their rings are very tight to get on in the first place. I just thought I would give it a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 17, 2015 Share #66 Posted February 17, 2015 I think I may have solved the problem. Fishermans shops sell packs of 16mm extra strong stainless steel split rings. The 16mm size has a maximum breaking strain of 220lbs, so I don't think even an M240 with a Noctilux on it would be a problem. For example Extra-strong-stainless-steels-strong split-rings-25pack by DB Angling Supplies - sold nationwide . The price is around £5 for 25 rings. I don't think they are too large to go through the lugs. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235046-o-ring-disconnects-from-strap-lug/?do=findComment&comment=2766404'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 18, 2015 Share #67 Posted February 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) For one thing the pad nubs are harsh against skin or through a thin shirt. For another thing the plastic connector sliders add significant bulk compared with a simple and effective good-quality split ring. Lastly the connectors neither grip the strap loop strong enough to prevent it from slipping through nor allow it to slip freely. I wind my strap around the camera in the bag and I found every time I took it out I would have to pull the loop an inch or so through the connector so the loop was symmetric. Before switching to the Voigtlander straps I had replaced the Leica connectors with split rings, and it was a huge improvement, aside from the pad nubs. I never knew it too could be removed, that the strap ran entirely through the pad. Not my experience at all You must slide the cover forcibly until it clicks. The the loop is then fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 18, 2015 Share #68 Posted February 18, 2015 What is wrong with the Leica strap? Nothing. It is everything I want: light, compliant, adjustable and the pad does not slip off my shoulder. Sexy, it is not, but that's so true of excellent engineering. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 18, 2015 Share #69 Posted February 18, 2015 Not my experience at all You must slide the cover forcibly until it clicks. The the loop is then fixed. One of the plastic retainers on my M240 strap does not stay in place after 'clicking' closed. Unlike the opposite side, I can pull it up and off the loop easily. Never had this issue with other Leica straps. Suggestions? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted February 18, 2015 Share #70 Posted February 18, 2015 Not my experience at all You must slide the cover forcibly until it clicks. The the loop is then fixed. I wind the strap around the camera to put it in the bag When I take it out one or both loops have slipped. I can pull them into position without unsnapping the covers. They are tight but not fixed. This is the case with every Leica strap I have, which I think is about 10 presently. The one with the thinner, ribbed sliders they used in the 70s (those ones a lot of people put on dangerously wrong despite illustrated instructions) never did that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted February 18, 2015 Share #71 Posted February 18, 2015 One of the plastic retainers on my M240 strap does not stay in place after 'clicking' closed. Unlike the opposite side, I can pull it up and off the loop easily. Never had this issue with other Leica straps. Suggestions? Jeff Push it on, then put 2-3 stitches behind it to hold it down. I cut the strap out of the middle of mine and added a custom built one, using the stock links on the end. Although my links click properly, i have a few stitches behind them to stop them coming loose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 18, 2015 Share #72 Posted February 18, 2015 Push it on, then put 2-3 stitches behind it to hold it down. And rip them out if I need to remove the strap, say for shipping/boxing for camera service or sale? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 18, 2015 Share #73 Posted February 18, 2015 It is the bobbly hard rubber pad on the Leica straps I don't like, although it is very slip resistant. Like others, I find they rub my neck raw and as the M's weight is steadily climbing northwards, it is getting worse. I can and do wear one of Luigi's suede lined straps/pads all day but definitely not one of the Leica original ones. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 18, 2015 Share #74 Posted February 18, 2015 I use my camera over my shoulder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted February 18, 2015 Share #75 Posted February 18, 2015 I have spent quite a lot of time this afternoon trying to get a shrink sleeve over the join of the split ring on my Luigi Silky strap and failed. It is next to impossible to get the sleeve correctly positioned over the joint, as the thin 2.5mm sleeve is just too floppy to get it pushed round the ring into position across the join...... I tried the very same thing yesterday and gave up. It kept getting caught where the ring splits and it would snag a hole in it... Well, it DOES take some time (and foul language...) to get it right. Don´t try shrink tube that is so narrow it just goes on before heating; use the next larger one! It´s much easier, and it shrinks enough to be quite tight in any case. And it´s surprisingly durable once it´s there. I have it on both my cameras (four rings) since at least a year, and there is still no sign of wear or displacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 18, 2015 Share #76 Posted February 18, 2015 Per, I think my hands are too arthritic and clumsy to do it. I was using a 2.5mm sleeve which was easily big enough but it was getting damaged as I slid it on. I think I am going to go down the fishermans heavy split rings route if they will fit. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 18, 2015 Share #77 Posted February 18, 2015 I use my camera over my shoulder. Suggestions re: post #69? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 18, 2015 Share #78 Posted February 18, 2015 Suggestions re: post #69? Jeff Duh. Ask Leica for a replacement. You might be surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted February 18, 2015 Share #79 Posted February 18, 2015 And rip them out if I need to remove the strap, say for shipping/boxing for camera service or sale? Jeff Yes ! - i have two big stitches in mine (3-4mm long) a bit of thick white thread (so its easy to see and remove later) I haven't had any problems with the plastic bits shifting (unless i wanted them to) but i figured its better to be safe than sorry, so i put a few stitches in realistically though, how often do you remove your strap ? i think mine has been installed and remove 3 or 4 times in a year - but its been chopped up and changed around every time too (started stock, then went to a fixed 1" wide strap, then a adjustable with long tails for the links, and now its current short tail version - which is how it will stay. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235046-o-ring-disconnects-from-strap-lug/?do=findComment&comment=2766820'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 19, 2015 Share #80 Posted February 19, 2015 Duh.Ask Leica for a replacement. You might be surprised. Obviously…just thought that someone else would offer an alternative fix without my having to call my usual sources at Leica. So, without any additional tips besides the stitching (which I appreciate, but not my preference), I made the call today and will get a new strap sent tomorrow. No surprise to me, as NJ has always been prompt and helpful. Just thought the forum might suggest something else simple that I was missing. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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