shortstop Posted September 16, 2014 Share #21 Posted September 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why not black paint? I have an MP silver chrome, but BP is fascinating too. Not black chrome. Anyway thanks to Leica for this pure mechanical film camera! We can buy an M3, M2, but also a new MP or M-A now! This is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NB23 Posted September 16, 2014 Share #22 Posted September 16, 2014 Who could imagin this 2 years ago?? And then again, who could imagine a ff digital leica just 5 years ago? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted September 16, 2014 Share #23 Posted September 16, 2014 If it were a better camera than my M3, I might consider it. But I doubt that it really is... ...Mike No doubt. Even a MP is a dumbed down product. "Mechanical perfection"? No way. For having seen open M3 and M2 leicas, I can safely say the MP is inferior. But there is something to be said about buying a brand new Leica film camera and keeping it 'til you die (as opposed to digital cameras that basically start Vanishing from your hands the second you open the box). This brings a new question: who actually buys brand new Digital leicas? And why? That's an unwise move, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted September 16, 2014 Share #24 Posted September 16, 2014 Are they continuing to sell M7 and MP? M-A is a beautiful camera but without light-meter to me is unusable. I ever need an exposure indication and probably a lots of people which might be interested in buying it, too. Sara Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted September 16, 2014 Share #25 Posted September 16, 2014 Good grief, it's only been announced for a few hours and already the 'mine is better than yours' has begun. Steve 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share #26 Posted September 16, 2014 No doubt. Even a MP is a dumbed down product. "Mechanical perfection"? No way. For having seen open M3 and M2 leicas, I can safely say the MP is inferior. But there is something to be said about buying a brand new Leica film camera and keeping it 'til you die (as opposed to digital cameras that basically start Vanishing from your hands the second you open the box).This brings a new question: who actually buys brand new Digital leicas? And why? That's an unwise move, IMO. It's a nice thing to buy a new digital M , so I did a few times,as I did with the M6's + M8,9 ,M. I liked it every time I bought one and still do. Some people just can't(/will not) wait a year or so until you can buy a used one. I hope it will become better in future and people start selling their M-P's after a month or so . I must say, it was easier to buy a used M6 than a used M8 the moment I decided to get one. I will definite will buy a used M-A if I can get it for a nice price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 16, 2014 Share #27 Posted September 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) [...] but without light-meter to me is unusable [...] Now Leica can commission these again! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted September 16, 2014 Share #28 Posted September 16, 2014 I like it, I think it is great they are doing it. I'm set with my M3 but hats off to them for putting out the product! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 16, 2014 Share #29 Posted September 16, 2014 Yes they put in the little cut-out on the shutter wheel, so it would be awesome if they come out with an updated MR meter. Although my old ones still work, the CdS cells are a lot slower to react than modern Si ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 16, 2014 Share #30 Posted September 16, 2014 I'm considering it. It appeals to the non-rational side of the brain: no meter, no distractions, the most streamlined essence of a camera that is already extraordinarily simple. Not for me. No meter = big distraction. Reaching for an external meter would be a constant distraction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted September 16, 2014 Share #31 Posted September 16, 2014 Shoot long enough without the meter and you won't need it. You'll probably be able to master this faster than you think. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted September 16, 2014 Share #32 Posted September 16, 2014 In truth, the main (only) attraction of the M-A to me is that, without a meter, you get cleaner unbroken framelines. Taking the battery out of a metered M6 or MP isn't as nice IMO. This was what I liked about the MP Classic that I often wish I hadn't sold. ....and the one stage shutter release. Other than that, I'm very contented with my MPs. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted September 16, 2014 Share #33 Posted September 16, 2014 Just bought a nice condition M3; it's sitting in my bag with a 50 Apo attached. I don't think I will shoot a lot of film with it, in this era of digital convenience, but it is so nice to use, rewind the film, press the button... ok, just a toy to make me happy.... and the lens is being used 99% of the time on the M9, but what the heck, I can have a few toys. No, I don't think I am going to buy the M-A, unless, of course, they offer it with the same viewfinder as in the M3. Big, bright, .91x, single frame lines for a 50mm lens. I could be tempted, then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
desu Posted September 16, 2014 Share #34 Posted September 16, 2014 I don't really see the point in it. It looks almost the same as the MP and is only 100€ cheaper. If you don't want a meter get a M2,3,4 with CLA. Or take out the battery out of your MP. It's still fully mechanical. Also what's with those screws? But one improvement is the metal ISO dial, if it really is metal. It should never have been plastic in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 16, 2014 Share #35 Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Shoot long enough without the meter and you won't need it. You'll probably be able to master this faster than you think. No thanks. When your pictures matter, shooting without a meter is just bad practice. My first camera, a Pentax SLR from the 1960's, had no meter and I shot with it for a number of years before I got a camera with a meter. My Fuji 6x7, Pentax 6x7 and Minolta twin lens also had no meter and I used each of them quite a lot. Edited September 16, 2014 by zlatkob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsheepdog Posted September 16, 2014 Share #36 Posted September 16, 2014 I really don't like joining the unthinking bashers of anything new from Solms, but this one has me flummoxed. The only advantage of this over my M3 appears to be a greater selection of frame lines, but to do this by using a 0.72 viewfinder compared to the M3 at 0.91 is to me too great a price to pay. Before I bought the M 240, I had an MP and M3 hung round my neck at the same time, and frankly, I found the M3 a much nicer camera. What I do hope though is that they bring out a new Leicameter to go with it. Mine chews up batteries and is pretty aged. A new meter to go on the M3? Now that is something I would buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaphilia Posted September 16, 2014 Share #37 Posted September 16, 2014 Not for me. No meter = big distraction. Reaching for an external meter would be a constant distraction. Learn to meter in your head. it's easy. Once you get it, you'll never lose it. Remember, metering for film is very different than metering for digital. Film has latitude, usually lots of it, which means you can be 2/3 stops off and still get a very presentable negative. Film has an exposure curve that makes it much more difficult to blow out the highlights even if you overexpose. If you really 'need' a meter, then buy the VC Meter made by Cosina. Clips right on, easy to use. Just because its not made by Leica doesn't mean you can't use it on an M-A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 16, 2014 Share #38 Posted September 16, 2014 Learn to meter in your head. it's easy. Once you get it, you'll never lose it. Remember, metering for film is very different than metering for digital. Film has latitude, usually lots of it, which means you can be 2/3 stops off and still get a very presentable negative. Film has an exposure curve that makes it much more difficult to blow out the highlights even if you overexpose. If you really 'need' a meter, then buy the VC Meter made by Cosina. Clips right on, easy to use. Just because its not made by Leica doesn't mean you can't use it on an M-A. The light meter in your head is notoriously unreliable because your eyes/brain adjust to the light. Go from outdoors to indoors and after some time the indoor setting appears much brighter than when your first entered. With practice, some settings and lighting scenarios become familiar, and it becomes easy to create a presentable negative, but why bother? With practice, one can probably learn to do construction without a level or a plumb or any measurements, but why bother? Today's digital has lots of latitude too. Being 2/3 stops off results in very presentable digital photos too. So the metering of film vs. digital is not so different. Getting an external clip-on meter completely defeats the supposed advantage of having meterless camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Soldati Posted September 16, 2014 Share #39 Posted September 16, 2014 For me the perfect analog camera would be a M7-P a la carte. A kind of mix between the M7 and the MP. For some occasion, I would love to have the aperture priority and metering accuracy of the M7. But I would also have the ability to shoot manually at any speed without battery like the MP. I would like to select the exposure time turning a speed dial that would be like the M7 (bigger and better located than the speed dial of the MP). Obviously such a camera would need a new hybrid shutter. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted September 16, 2014 Share #40 Posted September 16, 2014 +1 Nicolas. I would like an aperture priority film camera with the rewind knob of the MP (I think it makes the whole camera look elegant - or rather the offset angled crank looks silly). I also want a finder as clear and contrasty as that of the M (or even that of the Zeiss Ikon). Seems having the electronic viewfinder lines and not the third window to light up the lines makes a huge difference. If I want a completely manual camera then the M3 with its 0.91x viewfinder is the one I want ... oh, I already have it, so I wont be buying this M-P. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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