wlaidlaw Posted July 3, 2014 Share #1 Posted July 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I see that the price of the 100 year edition with Noctilux is approximately 20% loading on the price of buying a normal 240 and a Noctilux. This is before even taking into consideration that some dealers are offering substantial discounts on both body and lens. I doubt if I would struggle to negotiate a discount of 10% on a combined purchase. I got over 10% off my Noctilux on its own at the end of last year. I can understand people buying special edition film cameras, as these will be working in 50 or even 100 years (my 83 year old 1C standard is still working perfectly, as are all my other film Leicas). I would think you would be lucky for a digital camera to be working in 15 years time and if anything goes wrong electronically, no spares will be available (DMR, M8). Therefore these special edition digital cameras will probably not appreciate like the special edition film cameras do, as people will not risk buying a failing camera. I therefore question the wisdom of paying a substantial loading to buy new. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here 100 year special edition 240 with Noctilux - worth the money?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted July 3, 2014 Share #2 Posted July 3, 2014 Not for me, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 3, 2014 Share #3 Posted July 3, 2014 its a tool...save the money. If you pay a premium you tend to be reluctant to use it to its full potential...even if its just in the back of your mind. The best day I had was the day I scratched the finish on my Noctilux...it freed me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted July 3, 2014 Share #4 Posted July 3, 2014 this is made exactly for people who have too much money. In order to buy this camera: you simply must have too much money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 3, 2014 Share #5 Posted July 3, 2014 this is made exactly for people who have too much money. In order to buy this camera: you simply must have too much money. There is never too much money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted July 3, 2014 this is made exactly for people who have too much money. In order to buy this camera: you simply must have too much money. People who have a lot of money, other than a few russian oligarchs, generally are quite careful how they spend it and although they buy expensive stuff, expect good value. This 100 year edition IMHO, just does not represent either a sensible buy or good value. Wilson PS Oh I don’t know, a group of investors just bough the Caterham F1 team - giggle, giggle (Fernandez laughing all the way to the bank). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 3, 2014 Share #7 Posted July 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) This 100 year edition IMHO, just does not represent either a sensible buy or good value. Nor for me, but the key is in your term 'IMHO'….there are as many opinions on what constitutes good value (or good taste, or….) as there are people. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted July 3, 2014 Share #8 Posted July 3, 2014 The best day I had was the day I scratched the finish on my Noctilux...it freed me. Completely agree. That said, I can see the attraction of the 100th anniversary set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted July 4, 2014 Share #9 Posted July 4, 2014 Not sure where you saw the Noctilux on the 100 year special edition M ? The product pictures seems to show it with a Summilux-M ASPH Anniversary products // All about the jubilee year // 100 years of Leica photography // World of Leica - Leica Camera AG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted July 4, 2014 Share #10 Posted July 4, 2014 The cameras look a bit naff with the "100 years" logo on top. I'd only consider buying one if it was cheaper than the regular variety. IMO, the range of "special" editions are unimaginative and uninteresting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 4, 2014 Share #11 Posted July 4, 2014 I think you're forgetting about the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #12 Posted July 4, 2014 The stainless steel plates of the "Edition 100" Monochrom are tempting IMO. I would prefer them on a modern body though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted July 4, 2014 Not sure where you saw the Noctilux on the 100 year special edition M ? The product pictures seems to show it with a Summilux-M ASPH Anniversary products // All about the jubilee year // 100 years of Leica photography // World of Leica - Leica Camera AG At Leicashop/Westlicht in Vienna. Leica M Gehäuse, chrom - 100 Jahre Edition m. Noctilux 0.95/50mm - Kameras - M System - LEICA Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timde Posted July 4, 2014 Share #14 Posted July 4, 2014 I think thats a 100 Year body ... and a Normal Noctilux. The price is a few 100 less than buying the items separately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 4, 2014 Share #15 Posted July 4, 2014 I see that the price of the 100 year edition with Noctilux is approximately 20% loading on the price of buying a normal 240 and a Noctilux. This is before even taking into consideration that some dealers are offering substantial discounts on both body and lens. I doubt if I would struggle to negotiate a discount of 10% on a combined purchase. I got over 10% off my Noctilux on its own at the end of last year. I can understand people buying special edition film cameras, as these will be working in 50 or even 100 years (my 83 year old 1C standard is still working perfectly, as are all my other film Leicas). I would think you would be lucky for a digital camera to be working in 15 years time and if anything goes wrong electronically, no spares will be available (DMR, M8). Therefore these special edition digital cameras will probably not appreciate like the special edition film cameras do, as people will not risk buying a failing camera. I therefore question the wisdom of paying a substantial loading to buy new. Wilson That 20% premium represents $3600 USD or thereabouts. In addition to a Plain Jane M240 and Noctilux 0.95, you could also get Leica 35mm f/2.0 Summicron M Aspherical Manual Focus Lens 11879 or Leica 21mm Super-Elmar-M f/ 3.4 ASPH Lens 11145 B&H Photo Video or Leica Macro-Elmar-M 90mm f/4 Lens 11670 B&H Photo Video or Leica Wide Angle 24mm f/3.8 Elmar M Aspherical Manual 11648 B&H or Leica 18mm f/3.8 Super-Elmar-M Aspherical Manual Focus Lens - and still have hundreds of USD left in your pocket. JMHO, but I don't see the 100 year special edition set as being worth the cost of not being able to add another M lens to my kit for the same expenditure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted July 4, 2014 Share #16 Posted July 4, 2014 That wasn't one of the commemorative editions announced at the events Wilson. Perhaps something put together for the dealer? At least there is no special edition Noctilux that I saw or heard about there. I don't mean that this camera edition isn't legitimate, I am sure it is. If you crave something with that (shutter capping) logo you can just get the T shirt or hat for more modest money ;-) What was impressive (were I a very well heeled collector!) was the Leica M Edition 100 set with Monochrom and M-A (new film camera!)and three Summiluxes, including a 28. The camera bodies in that set are not standard bodies with special markings. They are machined from solid stainless steel. I can comment that there was a giant scrum of photographers/press instantly surrounding the Leica Camera senior representatives panel when the case of goodies was produced. Nick Ut in the forefront of the scrum! I put the images as provided in the Press kit here. Leica Das Wesentliche Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 4, 2014 Share #17 Posted July 4, 2014 You pays your money, .... It's pretty hard to know what will be worth money in 50 years and better not to base your purchases today on guesses about it. If I wanted this 100 year edition (I don't) and I could afford it (I can't), then I hope I'd buy it and enjoy it.. If it turned out to appreciate in value then Hooray, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted July 4, 2014 Share #18 Posted July 4, 2014 Yes I cannot think of anything more subjective than whether a collectible object is 'worth the money'. I would suggest that collectors may think so with these. Entirely as a usable camera it offers no advance over the standard camera, but that is not to say that a photographer might not enjoy having a less common version. I recall that my M7 was one of a hundred marked as a 'factory sample' but was not considered collectible. The photos I made with it were perfectly fine when I did my part though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted July 5, 2014 Geoff, As it was Leicashop offering the “kit”, I assumed it was official. As I said in the OP, I do understand commemorative film cameras, as you know they are going to last. Many commemorative items are not used as they lose their value if they are. Most electronic devices which are not used, deteriorate quicker than those which are. I know my hifi system in France sounds horrible for the couple of days or so, when I come back after 7 months away, as the electrolytic capacitors take time to reform and reach their correct values. I would be surprised if an M240 was put in a display cabinet for 10 years, if it would fire up when you tried. On a film camera, the shutter might be a bit lazy for a few cycles but other than that, it would be working fine. When I recovered my M4 from my uncle, it had been sitting in a drawer for over 25 years untouched. It worked perfectly and after about 20 shutter actuations, even the shutter speeds were about right. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted July 7, 2014 Share #20 Posted July 7, 2014 I think thats a 100 Year body ... and a Normal Noctilux. The price is a few 100 less than buying the items separately. I would sign up for a body that lasts 100 years but I am not thinking about a camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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