thighslapper Posted July 8, 2014 Share #181 Posted July 8, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread and the AUTO ISO nonsense is driving me nuts....... Leica have implemented a number of options in the deluded assumption it will keep everybody happy....... ..... from past experience this was a naive assumption and now a number of users are complaining that it doesn't work as 'they expected' ......... For gawds sake just pick what you want, learn how it works, stop bleating like frightened sheep and take some photos......... I have no issues WHATSOEVER with the implementation .... I understand what they have done .... follow the logic involved ....... and just get on with it. There are a few minor glitches still, but the majority of the beta testers were very happy with the changes and could live without the residual minor issues which are not a problem in normal usage. The M240 with the current firmware is a real joy to use ........ and despite the minor changes feels like a new camera ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bocaburger Posted July 8, 2014 Share #182 Posted July 8, 2014 Maybe this is selfish of me because I have never used auto ISO and don't plan on using it, but if it is the worst "bug" in the new FW I'm not complaining. I recall how long it took for Leica to admit to the M8 needing IR filters and put corrective algorithms in the FW for the cyan corners those filters created. And how many updates it took to get passable AWB in the M8 and M9. And to get acceptible lens corrections for red-edge in the M9 (never completely solved it for the pre-ASPH 21mm Elmarit). And how the last firmware for the M9 slowed the camera down. And how the M8 and M9 remain persnickety about the user's choice of SD cards. I was actually quite satisfied with the FW that came with my M240, but definitely welcome the new provision for disabling the movie and LV buttons. And whether or not people think the auto ISO in manual mode is logical or not, at least it does work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 8, 2014 Share #183 Posted July 8, 2014 Agreed. Auto ISO in manual means nothing to me. If I shoot manual I set manual. I bought the M for what it is..... Not for what I want it to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 8, 2014 Share #184 Posted July 8, 2014 Michael, where is this "M mode?" I don't seem to have an "M" on my camera in order to select this mode you speak of. See the "Auto ISO in M mode"option in the ISO menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 8, 2014 Share #185 Posted July 8, 2014 This thread and the AUTO ISO nonsense is driving me nuts....... For gawds sake just pick what you want, learn how it works, stop bleating like frightened sheep and take some photos......... ....... and just get on with it. Then, don't read the thread. I'm sure everyone posting here really likes the M240 like you do. For the most part, me anyway, this is just an entertaining discussion with some very smart people who happen to have their own view point. It is interesting because, of the logic involved and how others interact with the logic set forth. Nothing more. For me, I am happy the function has returned by Leica (thanks) to the M9 mode, although, truth be told, I almost never use AUTO ISO. Mostly, I would like Leica to fix the implementation of the jaapv-version so it works better. It should display the ISO, otherwise it somewhat crippled in its current implementation. And, make the choice in the menu; "AUTO A" or "AUTO M" and get rid of the redundant other menu choices. Or, just shit-can the whole idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 8, 2014 Share #186 Posted July 8, 2014 Maybe this is selfish of me because I have never used auto ISO and don't plan on using it, but if it is the worst "bug" in the new FW I'm not complaining. I recall how long it took for Leica to admit to the M8 needing IR filters and put corrective algorithms in the FW for the cyan corners those filters created. And how many updates it took to get passable AWB in the M8 and M9. And to get acceptible lens corrections for red-edge in the M9 (never completely solved itr not people think the auto ISO in manual mode is logical or not, at least it does work. I recall it as well. The first run of cameras, including mine was delivered after 1 Nov 2006 The IR solution with filters was announced on 8 November 2006...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 9, 2014 Share #187 Posted July 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I seem to recall it was a while longer before there was firmware to deal with the cyan corners. And people scurrying around trying to source B+W 486's for quite some time before Leica's filters became available and they shipped out the 2 free ones to each owner. All in all it was an admirable way to handle a situation that seemed to have blindsided them, and I'm not griping about it. Merely pointing out that the M240 arrived as more of a finished product than a work in progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 9, 2014 Share #188 Posted July 9, 2014 And in the minds of the engineers of course. Modes exist whether there is a dedicated mode dial or not. I think you are running out of rope? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted July 9, 2014 Share #189 Posted July 9, 2014 Well I had a full day's photography testing Auto ISO in M mode. What a delight ! Full manual creative control by selecting shutter speed (except minimum for focal length preselected) and DOF, and let the camera select ISO (ie file IQ). Other than a few occasions where I specifically wanted maximum IQ with ISO 200 and/or a lower shutter speed I let the camera do the rest. We've had 'Aperture-Priority Auto' and 'Shutter-Priority Auto' and 'Program' in various cameras for years, so why not "Aperture/Shutter-Priority'? BTW I agree that it would be good if the ISO was displayed in the optical VF in real time rather than chimping but in the end it really only mattered on a few occasions. Although I won't want to use this much of the time it is a fantastic addition to the camera's functionality and speed where timing is of the essence. As I wrote before - this function is a great step forwards for where getting control over shutterspeed and DOF takes priority over ISO-determned IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted July 9, 2014 Share #190 Posted July 9, 2014 I agree Mark: Auto ISO is very handy when shooting live performances in rapidy changing light. It enables one to make decisions based on depth of field and shutter speed requirements. Every year I work at a music festival where I have to shoot under many conditions. The photos are for publication in a newspaper and high ISO noise and achieving maximum IQ do not matter much if at all. The important things are that the shot is in focus- and that subject movement is controlled. Auto ISO makes this a lot easier than using all manual settings. There isn't time to fiddle around with camera settings, chimp images, etc- for each show the photographers have only a few minutes to get their shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2014 Share #191 Posted July 9, 2014 I seem to recall it was a while longer before there was firmware to deal with the cyan corners. And people scurrying around trying to source B+W 486's for quite some time before Leica's filters became available and they shipped out the 2 free ones to each owner. All in all it was an admirable way to handle a situation that seemed to have blindsided them, and I'm not griping about it. Merely pointing out that the M240 arrived as more of a finished product than a work in progress. That is true, but that had another reason: the world production of IR filter glass is small and is done in batches. It simply could not cope with the unexpected demand. It took till Januari to get the supply flowing, and Leica had to bypass Schott and go to Marumi to make that happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2014 Share #192 Posted July 9, 2014 Then, don't read the thread. I'm sure everyone posting here really likes the M240 like you do. For the most part, me anyway, this is just an entertaining discussion with some very smart people who happen to have their own view point. It is interesting because, of the logic involved and how others interact with the logic set forth. Nothing more. For me, I am happy the function has returned by Leica (thanks) to the M9 mode, although, truth be told, I almost never use AUTO ISO. Mostly, I would like Leica to fix the implementation of the jaapv-version so it works better. It should display the ISO, otherwise it somewhat crippled in its current implementation. And, make the choice in the menu; "AUTO A" or "AUTO M" and get rid of the redundant other menu choices. Or, just shit-can the whole idea. My version? Just because I understand the use and you don't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 9, 2014 Share #193 Posted July 9, 2014 I took pics again yesterday with the M, as usual without using auto ISO. And I'm happy to report that it did not work exactly as it shouldn't. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted July 9, 2014 Share #194 Posted July 9, 2014 And I'm happy to report that it did not work exactly as it shouldn't. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 9, 2014 Share #195 Posted July 9, 2014 I took pics again yesterday with the M, as usual without using auto ISO. And I'm happy to report that it did not work exactly as it shouldn't. Am I wrong in thinking that you didn't know what you weren't doing? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 9, 2014 Share #196 Posted July 9, 2014 But I intentionally didn't know anything. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 9, 2014 Share #197 Posted July 9, 2014 How do you know? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 9, 2014 Share #198 Posted July 9, 2014 Years of practice. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 9, 2014 Share #199 Posted July 9, 2014 If I hadn't failed to misunderstand this part of the thread I wouldn't have known what your point was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 11, 2014 Share #200 Posted July 11, 2014 ...there is apparently a bug in this new feature. Instead of reverting to the previous iso setting the camera (at least mine) selects 200 iso now... It is normal as my "previous manually chosen iso speed" was 200 iso. I did not read well the Leica leaflet sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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