jonoslack Posted May 3, 2014 Share #41 Posted May 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jono, you're missing my point here It's not me who needs convincing about Leica quality, I have a ton of M gear The main reason why Leica lenses are expensive is because they're Hand Made in Germany I believe you that the T lenses will be of comparable Leica quality For lenses made in japan that are rolling off the mechanical production lines, the price does seem on the higher side? Leica should listen to your advice a little more it seems HI There - well, nobody listens to me - and if they do, then they usually disagree More seriously, I haven't suggested to Leica that they make the lens manufacturer public, just a personal opinion. As for the price - no idea - but I guess they aren't planning to make as many as Fuji and their lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 Hi jonoslack, Take a look here Leica T performs digital lens correction , a claim by dpreview.com. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
BJDrew Posted May 3, 2014 Share #42 Posted May 3, 2014 An interesting thing about the lenses, is that they appear to have a 50 year soldering life (circle with 50 in it) - I've checked every other lens I have and it says 10 years. They are clearly solid and well made pieces of kit. As I say, I think naming the company and singing it's praises from the rooftop would be better than not (but what do I know). I agree with both: the lenses are bound to be terrific and the factory matters little, objectively BUT. We know many Leicaphiles are absolutely obsessed with place of origin. The factory location is being intentionally obscured because marketing wants to control the message. In this case, the apparent goal is to maintain a premium price position. Fighting to hide information creates an elevation of the question, and this typically backfires in the modern world. The message will become "The info Leica didn't want you to know" and the comparisons will be "Sigma version:$399. Leica version: $1900" (I am not sure what the bloggers said about Rembrandt). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon111 Posted May 3, 2014 Share #43 Posted May 3, 2014 It is a matter of time before the mysterious Japanese manufacturer is named How do you think the forums will then react to Leica's pricing of the lenses that are "Made in Japan" and in mass production, not hand made / hand polished / hand whatever I still don't see why it matters. A Leica design made with specified materials to specific tolerances. This whole "software correction thing" is a tempest in a teapot. The only people complaining is DPR but they're also the *only* place I'd seen the claim that the only corrections were optical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted May 3, 2014 Share #44 Posted May 3, 2014 Jono, you're missing my point here It's not me who needs convincing about Leica quality, I have a ton of M gear The main reason why Leica lenses are expensive is because they're Hand Made in Germany I believe you that the T lenses will be of comparable Leica quality For lenses made in japan that are rolling off the mechanical production lines, the price does seem on the higher side? Leica should listen to your advice a little more it seems I demand that Leica price their stuff cheap enough for me to afford. How come they put their need for profit above my need for cheap quality gear !! BTW, price is dictated by supply and demand. I will say a coke bottle is over priced... even more in Disneyland for plain sugar water. I will check coke forum whether people are outraged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodParticle/Hari Posted May 3, 2014 Share #45 Posted May 3, 2014 I demand that Leica price their stuff cheap enough for me to afford. How come they put their need for profit above my need for cheap quality gear !!. Let us know how that goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted May 3, 2014 Share #46 Posted May 3, 2014 It seems I'm in the minority here because the T lenses don't seem overpriced to me. Expensive? Yes. Over priced? No. The M 35 'cron is $3350 on BH. The M 24 Elmar is $2650 on BH. The M 28 'cron is $4295 on BH. The T 23 'cron is $1950 on BH. The T 18-56 zoom is $1750 on BH. There is no such lens made for the M system. In fact the Leica T, both T lenses, viewfinder, M adapter, extra battery costs over $200 less than just the M. Let's keep a perspective on things, eh? As for distortion correction, it's a non issue. The issue at hand is the purported claim by Leica that the T lenses don't require it. And I too recall it being mentioned by several sources that the lenses are optically corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 3, 2014 Share #47 Posted May 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...Fighting to hide information creates an elevation of the question, and this typically backfires in the modern world. The message will become "The info Leica didn't want you to know" and the comparisons will be "Sigma version:$399. Leica version: $1900"... Yes and the subliminal message will be "another head in the sand approach from Leica" even if they did not mind to reveal that they worked with brands like Schneider, Angenieux and Minolta in the past. Not sure if they disclosed their cooperation with Hoya though. Not enough prestige perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalpowershot Posted May 3, 2014 Share #48 Posted May 3, 2014 A plain disappointment ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 3, 2014 Share #49 Posted May 3, 2014 I would very disappointed if Leica did not apply digital correction via DNG options. The objections from those who are almost certainly dreamers who live outside real photographic practitioners would not be buyers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 3, 2014 Share #50 Posted May 3, 2014 if Leica M or even S system apply digital correction, what is noise about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 3, 2014 Share #51 Posted May 3, 2014 Maybe keeping the lens company under wraps is due to other factors we do not now know or cannot currently anticipate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 3, 2014 Share #52 Posted May 3, 2014 If it's like the XV it will just be for barrel/pincushion .....and probably just for the zoom .....if you want to see another example of how much is done I posted some pics here........ almost the same as the DPR images .... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/327007-xvario-lens-distortion.html#post2663240 the image in camera is quite substantially cropped which is presumably why corner performance is preserved. Almost all the cameras using this format seem to do this to some extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted May 3, 2014 Share #53 Posted May 3, 2014 Well pictures speak for themselves (unless anyone claims they are forged): Leica T (Typ 701) First Impressions Review: Digital Photography Review I still do not see the problem as in the end the result is the decisive factor regardless if it is achieved by hard- or software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted May 3, 2014 Share #54 Posted May 3, 2014 A plain disappointment ... Why? I would be disappointed if it didn't have software corrections. Do you think Leica is the only manufacture doing this? What happens to your T Lenses when the Leica T typ801 ships...should Leica be restricted to the exact same specs so that the lenses are a perfect match again, or wouldn't you prefer improvements and additional software corrections? I don't get it, why is this such a big deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 3, 2014 Share #55 Posted May 3, 2014 This could be a big deal for people who like lenses for their character more so than for performances they can reach with tweakings in firmware or PP. Not sure if such people are the core target of the T though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 3, 2014 Share #56 Posted May 3, 2014 This could be a big deal for people who like lenses for their character more so than for performances they can reach with tweakings in firmware or PP. Not sure if such people are the core target of the T though. You think? I doubt the core target will take an automatic camera and set it to full manual either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 3, 2014 Share #57 Posted May 3, 2014 ... Not sure if they disclosed their cooperation with Hoya though.... When I worked for Leitz and Leica, (that's been awhile ) the company was quite open that a) they preferred to buy glass rather than to batch-produce it themselves, and Hoya was one of their biggest glass suppliers. Hoya was never a secret, but people tended not to ask. Regarding this thread: We might better be discussing the source of the aluminum of the T's body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 3, 2014 Share #58 Posted May 3, 2014 ...Hoya was never a secret, but people tended not to ask... Same for Kyocera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 3, 2014 Share #59 Posted May 3, 2014 The next new M lens will come with a software CD to correct its distortion and CA's. That will be fine too I guess? Any correction represents issues with the lens performance. Some distortion is a fact of most WA or zoom lenses of course, but it's easier/cheaper to make a lens which performs below par and fix it with software. Couldn't happen with film only though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted May 4, 2014 Share #60 Posted May 4, 2014 I heard that the T lenses are manufactured in Japan by Instagram*. Pete. *Yes, I'm gently pulling your leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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