wlaidlaw Posted June 10, 2014 Share #161 Posted June 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have got so used to using the eye-dropper on Leica DNG’s in Capture One, that I don’t give it much thought nowadays. However when I see how a couple of my other digital cameras get WB 99% correct nearly all the time, I have to question Leica’s ability to get their firmware right. My personal view is that they should contract it out again. Stick to what they know - building great cameras and the world’s best lenses and leave other stuff to folks who can do it better. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bab Posted June 11, 2014 Share #162 Posted June 11, 2014 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 11, 2014 Share #163 Posted June 11, 2014 Depends on one's experience i guess. In my modest one (Canon, Epson, Fuji, Leica, Nikon) AWB is almost never satisfactory so adjusting it in PP is just mandatory for me. Some AWBs may be easier to adjust than others of course, depending upon the raw converter, but i have no serious problem with C1 in linear response mode personally. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matlep Posted June 11, 2014 Share #164 Posted June 11, 2014 I personally have no problem with the WB in the M, I think it works well. But I still want a FW upgrade. I would like for the camera to be a bit quicker, the option to disable the movie button and also a better working auto-ISO system. Thats it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 11, 2014 Share #165 Posted June 11, 2014 I personally have no problem with the WB in the M, I think it works well. But I still want a FW upgrade. I would like for the camera to be a bit quicker, the option to disable the movie button and also a better working auto-ISO system. Thats it. They also need to attend to high-ISO banding (as well as for the long-forgotten-by-Leica M9 and Monochrom). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted June 11, 2014 Share #166 Posted June 11, 2014 Keep the requirements coming, guys. There's plenty of time to code them up before the release date. In days gone by there was a rule of thumb that there was one bug for every ten lines of production COBOL code (that is, code actually in use). Does anyone know if the craft has advanced with more modern compilers, coding practices, etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 11, 2014 Share #167 Posted June 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) There's plenty of time to code them up before the release date. That's easy when the release date keeps moving; they still haven't released anticipated updates for the M9 (which I don't own, but forum discussions abound). There is no rule of thumb with Leica….they march to their own drummer. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodParticle/Hari Posted June 11, 2014 Share #168 Posted June 11, 2014 That's easy when the release date keeps moving; they still haven't released anticipated updates for the M9 (which I don't own, but forum discussions abound). There is no rule of thumb with Leica….they march to their own drummer. Jeff When they find a drummer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 11, 2014 Share #169 Posted June 11, 2014 In days gone by there was a rule of thumb that there was one bug for every ten lines of production COBOL code (that is, code actually in use). Does anyone know if the craft has advanced with more modern compilers, coding practices, etc? I used to follow the industry quite closely as I was in charge of programming methods and QC for a while. They have made great progress, in particular with the languages in use in the internet, such as PHP and JavaScript. They now seem to have reached the level of one bug per five lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 12, 2014 Share #170 Posted June 12, 2014 there is no firmware update- the entire idea is a conspiracy theory... It's all a Corporate PsyOp... Wake up sheeple! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted June 12, 2014 Share #171 Posted June 12, 2014 Hey guys and ladies, let’s face it. Here goes: Most of us have around 20k invested in Leica M gear and assorted accessories; some much more. Leica’s flagship and most famous camera and lens system, the M, leads the way for all others to buy Leica products. Leica’s concentration on the point and shoot market is understandable; it’s all about money and making more of it. No problem. I get that. I also get that Leica’s M is THE camera to adore . I’m one of those who have the M240 and loads of cash invested. This thread is now pages long and it now covers much more than just the Auto ISO issue in manual mode. There are many of us who want much more than that in an upgraded firmware, and justifiably so. There are tweaks from which the M would benefit. And of course we note the promises from Leica that upgraded firmware is coming, just like we hoped for in the m9, and for that matter, why not continue to give m9 and m8 owners their due upgraded firmware. After all , these people also have around 20k shelled out for their gear. So what’s the point of my post? How about the M owners who supported the flagship experience with hard earned money, enabling Leica to twist off into the point and shoot business and make people proud to own anything with a red dot, feeling much more than a touch insulted that after all is said and done, Leica does not support the people who shelled out the big money. Now if I had bought a dSLR for a fraction of what I have laid out for the M gear, I would not expect that much. After all, if Canon did not upgrade one of it’s $700.00 cameras, and came out with a new model of comparable price in a year or so, I could sell the old one on eBay and get the new model for a few hundred extra dollars. This is not a very big deal for many camera enthusiasts to upgrade in that fashion. So… Since I am one who supported Leica in their big bucks division, I am more than a bit insulted. I owned an m8 with no IR filter and hardly the upgrades it deserved. I owned an m9 and m9p and got hardly the upgraded firmware it deserved. Now it’s the M240 and so many people are clamoring for, begging for, a consistent array of firmware updates. We who supported them, albeit we love the cameras and especially the lenses, get stomped on the most. Not a good deal IMHO. Again this is just my feeling, so if you disagree, please be easy on me. I would like to hear how others feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 12, 2014 Share #172 Posted June 12, 2014 I agree pretty much completely. Especially so given that Leica claimed in it's promotion of the M9 that it would constantly be improved and supported with updated firmware- and was 'a camera for life'. I believe they continue to make similar claims for the M240? I strongly feel that the M240 is a beta-ware camera. I believe it was released before the firmware was optimised- and rushed to market prematurely. There are quite a few features that make little sense as implemented and could easily be improved. This would perhaps be acceptable if matters had been speedily remedied with a timely firmware release... but that has not happened. So why is nothing done? After all these long months I can only conclude that nothing is done because Leica does not care. They do not look back: only forward- for them the M240 is already yesterdays story. They seem to think, "Let them buy the next camera instead". I am sticking to this sad conclusion in the absence of any meaningful comment or explanation from Leica itself- or God forbid- : an actual firmware update. Here are 5 ways the camera could/should be improved 1) one touch ISO change! 2) Auto ISO that works correctly! 3) Video Button changed to Custom Button. 4) Play back plays back on LCD not EVF when pressed. 5) Ability to customise lens profile list- and rename profiles to match actual lenses owned/used. If all of these things were implemented the camera would be substantially improved in my opinion. I would be one happy chap. I can easily think of another 5 but that will do for now. I have a feeling that even if a firmware update is eventually released it will only deal with one out of 5 of these issues at most... tsuch a piddling release is not going to change my view on Leica's attitude to improving the functionality of their products. To me that would be a fail mark of %20. Get off your Arse Leica and hop to it! Or if you cannot: PLEASE Sony/Nikon/Canon/Fuji: Take Leica on directly: Make a full frame optical RF camera. Do this and I am yours! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted June 12, 2014 Share #173 Posted June 12, 2014 Steady on guys, the forum admin has said there is a new release being beta tested by a forum member. I wonder if the poor chap knows he is a guinea pig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted June 12, 2014 Share #174 Posted June 12, 2014 Steady on guys, the forum admin has said there is a new release being beta tested by a forum member. I wonder if the poor chap knows he is a guinea pig. Right now we have almost 50 happy guinea pigs testing Lot of improvements, still some bugs to iron out. But it's worth the wait... Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted June 12, 2014 Share #175 Posted June 12, 2014 Hey guys and ladies, let’s face it. Here goes: Most of us have around 20k invested in Leica M gear and assorted accessories; some much more. Leica’s flagship and most famous camera and lens system, the M, leads the way for all others to buy Leica products. Leica’s concentration on the point and shoot market is understandable; it’s all about money and making more of it. No problem. I get that. I also get that Leica’s M is THE camera to adore . I’m one of those who have the M240 and loads of cash invested. This thread is now pages long and it now covers much more than just the Auto ISO issue in manual mode. There are many of us who want much more than that in an upgraded firmware, and justifiably so. There are tweaks from which the M would benefit. And of course we note the promises from Leica that upgraded firmware is coming, just like we hoped for in the m9, and for that matter, why not continue to give m9 and m8 owners their due upgraded firmware. After all , these people also have around 20k shelled out for their gear. So what’s the point of my post? How about the M owners who supported the flagship experience with hard earned money, enabling Leica to twist off into the point and shoot business and make people proud to own anything with a red dot, feeling much more than a touch insulted that after all is said and done, Leica does not support the people who shelled out the big money. Now if I had bought a dSLR for a fraction of what I have laid out for the M gear, I would not expect that much. After all, if Canon did not upgrade one of it’s $700.00 cameras, and came out with a new model of comparable price in a year or so, I could sell the old one on eBay and get the new model for a few hundred extra dollars. This is not a very big deal for many camera enthusiasts to upgrade in that fashion. So… Since I am one who supported Leica in their big bucks division, I am more than a bit insulted. I owned an m8 with no IR filter and hardly the upgrades it deserved. I owned an m9 and m9p and got hardly the upgraded firmware it deserved. Now it’s the M240 and so many people are clamoring for, begging for, a consistent array of firmware updates. We who supported them, albeit we love the cameras and especially the lenses, get stomped on the most. Not a good deal IMHO. Again this is just my feeling, so if you disagree, please be easy on me. I would like to hear how others feel. I guess Leica's to do list for the programmers looked like this. If they only used a normal font and some paragraphs, it would be much easier to read for them. Or maybe they are coding in comic sans, just for the fun of it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acordes Posted June 12, 2014 Share #176 Posted June 12, 2014 Right now we have almost 50 happy guinea pigs testing Lot of improvements, still some bugs to iron out. But it's worth the wait... Andreas >wait... That word is a synonym for Leica ? I WAIT to get my camera be reliable - too often stuck - oh WAIT a moment my camera is stuck, need some battery in out fiddling done... Leica is proud to create good gear, now Leica go for good software... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesqua Posted June 12, 2014 Share #177 Posted June 12, 2014 I am a Leica collector and fan for over 40 years. This puts me into the senior citizen team. I bought an M 240 six months ago graduating from an M5. I find like other members of my "team" that rangefinder focusing is very difficult at 90 mm and above. Especially for those "team" members with glasses. So my theory was to get the M with the EVF. This makes the M a DSLR without the R. Using the EVF with the red sparkly focus aid made things better but not very great. The dance between live view and EVF was annoying. Playback with the EVF requires deft finger motions. So I began to compare the M with my Nikon D7100 (a 24 mp sensor) and my Nikon D2X (12 mp). Ease of use of the M is far inferior. The viewfinder of the D2X makes the Leica EVF look silly. I did extensive resolution and IQ tests of all three. The results were equivalent. There is no Leica pop as well as no Nikon pop. All three produce excellent results. Ease of use and availability of important features goes heavily to the Nikon DSLRs. These are features that we are screaming for in the firmware upgrade to the M. My Leitz lenses are just as good as my Nikon lenses. Both are outstanding. But for this "team" member, autofocus and eyesight oriented viewfinders easily trump the M. This is difficult for a Leica fan to admit so go easy on the retort. The M will be sold along with the lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikiphoto Posted June 12, 2014 Share #178 Posted June 12, 2014 It's a pity that Fujifilm's developers could not be commissioned for the Leica M240 job. Over the past two years the software improvements to my X-Pro 1, X-E2 and their lenses has been phenomenal - and consumer driven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2014 Share #179 Posted June 12, 2014 . But for this "team" member, autofocus and eyesight oriented viewfinders easily trump the M. This is difficult for a Leica fan to admit so go easy on the retort. The M will be sold along with the lenses. If you cannot blend with rangefinder focusing the choice of a rangefinder camera, even one with auxiliary EVF seems less obvious. You must be aware that many users have no difficulty focusing 90 mm, Noctilux or 135 mm lenses. Especially as you are familiar with Leica for over 40 years. I would say reading your post, that your decision to go for an Autofocus system is a wise one. There are plenty of excellent mirrorless or DSLR cameras out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted June 12, 2014 Share #180 Posted June 12, 2014 Lot of improvements, still some bugs to iron out. But it's worth the wait... Andreas I will wait. Please share the list of improvements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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