jcraf Posted February 6, 2014 Share #41 Posted February 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Gotta be the 35mm Cron. Or should one opt for the 28 Elmarit-M Asph....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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w44neg Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #42 Posted February 6, 2014 Or should one opt for the 28 Elmarit-M Asph....? That's my question too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 6, 2014 Share #43 Posted February 6, 2014 That's my question too There are lost of threads here on this hotly debated topic. I had the Elmarit and sold it for the Summicron. Never regretted the decision not that the Elmarit isn't a great lens. ie: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/296144-tim-ashley-m240-28-cron.html or http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/300884-28mm-summicron-vs-elmarit.html (esp. post #21 by Steve) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w44neg Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #44 Posted February 6, 2014 There are lost of threads here on this hotly debated topic. I had the Elmarit and sold it for the Summicron. Never regretted the decision not that the Elmarit isn't a great lens. ie: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/296144-tim-ashley-m240-28-cron.html or http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/300884-28mm-summicron-vs-elmarit.html (esp. post #21 by Steve) I'll have a read later but is that post saying the 28mm summicron is the one to go for in their opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted February 6, 2014 Share #45 Posted February 6, 2014 Well, one is almost twice the price of the other. Both are superb. I have a soft spot for the Elmarit. It is very compact, not all that slow, and optically wonderful. Others swear by the faster Summicron. If you buy used, you will not lose much on either if you sell. Try and get a 6 Bit example whichever you opt for. And make sure the Elmarit is the latest Asph version (there are 4 previous non-Asph versions out there). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w44neg Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #46 Posted February 6, 2014 Well, one is almost twice the price of the other. Both are superb. I have a soft spot for the Elmarit. It is very compact, not all that slow, and optically wonderful. Others swear by the faster Summicron. If you buy used, you will not lose much on either if you sell. Try and get a 6 Bit example whichever you opt for. And make sure the Elmarit is the latest Asph version (there are 4 previous non-Asph versions out there). Thanks, the 35mm summicron I was going to pick up with the M9 is a latest ASPH type but as I was so set on that lens, I didn't ask about any others. Although I was shown the crono at £8k I think most of my shooting will be around f2.8+ So if the elmarit IQ is still incredible, it may afford me extra cash for a secondary lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted February 6, 2014 Share #47 Posted February 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) There are as many opinions on focal length pairings/second lenses as there are forum members! If you are starting out with a plan for 2 lenses, 28 and 35 would of course be considered (by most) too close together to be a good choice, Think about 28 and 50...... Or 35 and 90 ......etc etc ad infinitum! It all depends what you shoot, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatist Posted February 6, 2014 Share #48 Posted February 6, 2014 Thanks, can you give me your reasoning and the types of photos you mainly aim for? It' compliments the full frame obviously by being 35mm and I find it excels at anything from street where getting in close adds impact right through to my main interest which is travel and the surrounding landscape. A wonderfully sharp piece of glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 6, 2014 Share #49 Posted February 6, 2014 12K in two years is nothing to brag about. I'm not trying to be ugly to anyone but that's nothing in the world of professional camera use. 12K a week or even a month is what the camera should take. On some jobs I shoot 12K in three days. Forget the fans and forget the ones of us that complain. Just do you homework and make certain you want to take the risk. It's a big investment. Consider the professional world. If there was a clear advantage to any camera all of us making our living from photography would use that camera. Now consider what cameras are dominant in the industry and why. Nikon and Canon rule the photo world and there's a reason. I used Nikon in the early days of digital and then went full frame with Canon. When the Nikon D800 came out it was so far ahead of everyone in image quality in the DSLR world I just had to go back. It's so close to the quality of my MF Hasselblad digital It's frightening. Consider why we use these cameras, image quality is outstanding, lenses are excellent ( you will debate this I'm sure), noise at high ISO, extreme high ISO options, wide selection of very high quality glass from 14mm to 800mm, reliability, cost, versatility and professional service are just a few of the advantages. What is the reason you want a Leica, tradition, lifestyle, image quality, reliability, size and weight? Do your research and forget the fans and make your own decision. I wasn't bragging merely giving my experiences, yours are equally valid but perhaps different, the long list is sour grapes however.... I wouldn't know what to do with 12k shots in one shoot either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLS1 Posted February 6, 2014 Share #50 Posted February 6, 2014 You have no idea of the price of my vacations .But you are missing my point. I meant attaching too much importance to Internet scribbling. You have no idea about my clients and business either. I learned something today. I learned to never post anything that doesn't support the members beliefs and opinions otherwise be shot at sunrise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 6, 2014 Share #51 Posted February 6, 2014 Ooh dear, once again the messenger is shot. Or more usually attacked for some minor point when their main address is completely overlooked. Too many want to push their own barrow without properly reading the post. I think this is the problem with today’s world; people just do not answer the question. They don’t really think for themselves anymore, but parrot what sounds popular. YLS1 has got very reasonable arguments, based on his experience, for being disillusioned… “I'm afraid after so many problems with my camera I've lost all confidence in the M digital cameras” “I bought a new M9 just over a year ago and it's in the shop for the 3rd time. It's been in the shop about as much as I've had it in my hands. Right out of the box it needed a new sensor and mother board. Too many problems with it to go into here.” Leica cameras are very specialised. They have a lot of limitations for many photographic uses eg macro, long exposure, decent colour balance, etc, etc. Far more limitations than most decent cameras. They have many faults too…straight out of the factory, risible. On the other hand there are many who have a specialised style of photography which suits the Leica perfectly. But please don’t tell me it is acceptable for all its limitations and out-of-factory faults. Cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianUK Posted February 7, 2014 Share #52 Posted February 7, 2014 Are you writing about one particular Leica model or Leicas, rangefinder, SLR, film and digital in general? If you're wiring about rangefinders, I would hazard an unsubstantiated guess that many keen Leica rangefinder users - me included - are attracted to them in large part by the very 'limitations' you mention that 'decent cameras' don't have - and are the very reason for them being bought and used so enthusiastically. Yes, I accept that some Leica models are faulty and need repair. All cameras can be faulty at any point in their life cycle. My brand new Nikon F2's photomic head failed within a week of buying it. I've had the slow speeds on a compur shutter on a Schneider-Kreuznach 5x4 camera lens not working, straight out of the box, from new. It happens. I understand this. But to assert, that Leicas fail more than other makers without facts to back it up is just, well, wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 7, 2014 Share #53 Posted February 7, 2014 But to assert, that Leicas fail more than other makers without facts to back it up is just, well, wrong. Another person who doesn't read the post properly. I didn't say that. Also reference to "decent cameras" my quote was... "Far more limitations than most decent cameras." I think the Leicas are decent cameras; I love my three Leicas. I was comparing other "decent cameras" with Leica, not implying the Leica were "Indecent". If you can't accept that the Leica has limitations that's your problem. cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 7, 2014 Share #54 Posted February 7, 2014 You have no idea about my clients and business either. I learned something today. I learned to never post anything that doesn't support the members beliefs and opinions otherwise be shot at sunrise. I don’t quite see how emphasizing the inherent bias of internet forums equates to shooting at sunrise… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 7, 2014 Share #55 Posted February 7, 2014 I'll have a read later but is that post saying the 28mm summicron is the one to go for in their opinion? YES, and mine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 7, 2014 Share #56 Posted February 7, 2014 There are as many opinions on focal length pairings/second lenses as there are forum members! If you are starting out with a plan for 2 lenses, 28 and 35 would of course be considered (by most) too close together to be a good choice, Think about 28 and 50...... Or 35 and 90 ......etc etc ad infinitum! It all depends what you shoot, of course. I agree. I've already written in a PM to the OP that this will only be the first of many Leica lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted February 7, 2014 Share #57 Posted February 7, 2014 Leica cameras are very specialised. They have a lot of limitations for many photographic uses eg macro, long exposure, decent colour balance, etc, etc. Out of interest, what limitation do you think they have for long exposures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 7, 2014 Share #58 Posted February 7, 2014 Out of interest, what limitation do you think they have for long exposures? There's quite a bit on the Forum, about owners frustrations with B exposures on the M240. I've tried Bulb exposures with my M8. They are very spotty and disjointed, star trails are unacceptable, for example. Yes, I do mean long exposures, not just a few seconds. cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted February 7, 2014 Share #59 Posted February 7, 2014 There's quite a bit on the Forum, about owners frustrations with B exposures on the M240. I've tried Bulb exposures with my M8. They are very spotty and disjointed, star trails are unacceptable, for example. Yes, I do mean long exposures, not just a few seconds. cheers Dave S Ok, so not all Leicas, just one or two models in particular. The M240 issue is easily rectified from what I read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 7, 2014 Share #60 Posted February 7, 2014 Ok, so not all Leicas, just one or two models in particular. The M240 issue is easily rectified from what I read. Hi Simon Yes, not all Leicas...the film Leicas work well, if you hold the shutters open with B, for as long as you like. The digital Leicas are the problem with long exposures. My reading shows the Leica M240 has a maximum B limit of just 60 seconds. The M9 only does 240 seconds. Here's your homework reading; read the full post. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/318792-long-exposures-m240.html cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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