Jeff S Posted January 22, 2015 Share #661 Posted January 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Might be interesting, though, if Leica offered choice of different VF mags as with various film Ms. I'd probably stick with current, but others might not. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted January 22, 2015 Share #662 Posted January 22, 2015 1). I wish variable magnification VF (like Fuji X-Pro1) but it's not gonna to happen, so... 2). 1:1 mag. VF like Bessa R3A - best for 35/50/75mm lenses. Generally speaking, I think that to combine an EVF within the classic VF/RF assembly could be their medium term goal... no idea when technology will allow to implement smartly such a solution without an abnormal size (for the M standard). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted January 23, 2015 Share #663 Posted January 23, 2015 Let's see this in perspective. On film a 1 minute exposure would have you deep into reciproxity failure.... Yes and no: different emulsions seem to be affected wildly differently, at least if you believe the manufacturers' data sheets. For instance 5 seconds exposure on FP4 Plus requires an additional 5 seconds or so, while the Fujifilm data sheet for Provia 100F claims that no time or colour correction is needed between 1/4000 and 128 seconds. Digital makes so many things simpler, doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapids41 Posted January 25, 2015 Share #664 Posted January 25, 2015 + 1 +1 Wishes for the next M: - no banding at higher ISOs - show only the one right frameline with 6-bit coded lenses? - a smaller handgrip - silent mode with full electric shutter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted January 25, 2015 Share #665 Posted January 25, 2015 1. State of the art ISO performance allowing for 10,000 levels w/o any degradation of quality 2. Ability for high speed flash sync allowing for up at least 1/1000 shutter speeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted January 25, 2015 Share #666 Posted January 25, 2015 ...just a Chevy with leather seat. And it wasn't even Corinthian. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted January 26, 2015 Share #667 Posted January 26, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1. State of the art ISO performance allowing for 10,000 levels w/o any degradation of quality2. Ability for high speed flash sync allowing for up at least 1/1000 shutter speeds. Doesnt the M already HSS with the SF-58 ? I would love to see a faster normal sync (not power robbing, strobed HSS) 1/250 at minimum, prefer 1/500 or even higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 4, 2015 Share #668 Posted February 4, 2015 When is the next M due? This year or next Photokina? I am frustrated with the stagnant resolution gains with Leica. Canon is about to release two 50MP cameras, Sony too, Nikon users will "put up with" 36MP. I fear the next M will, again, not gain much. It pains me to say it but I think I may have to move on from Leica soon. Canon will give me 75% of what I want but 95% of what I need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 4, 2015 Share #669 Posted February 4, 2015 When is the next M due? This year or next Photokina? I am frustrated with the stagnant resolution gains with Leica. Canon is about to release two 50MP cameras, Sony too, Nikon users will "put up with" 36MP. I fear the next M will, again, not gain much. It pains me to say it but I think I may have to move on from Leica soon. Canon will give me 75% of what I want but 95% of what I need. Huge MP count sensors are pointless unless Canon and Nikon have a range of lenses which can resolve to these levels. Lens Rentals did an analysis of the current range of Nikon Lenses and found few of them could resolve to much more than 17 or 18 MP and the best to barely 24MP. I doubt if the Canon lenses are dramatically different. If Leica go much beyond 24MP, isn't the same going to apply to them, so that the only lens which benefits is the 50 APO? 24 MP is enough for me, more ISO would make me very happy, as I love low light photography. Usable 12,000 or 24,000 ISO with my Noctilux would be fantastic. Taking photos by candlelight (other than just a lit face as we can do at present) or moonlight. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 4, 2015 Share #670 Posted February 4, 2015 A refined classic design which has passed successfully through a serious slimming course. More pixels? No thank you. Just think of the increasingly unwieldy file sizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDD Posted February 4, 2015 Share #671 Posted February 4, 2015 Huge MP count sensors are pointless unless Canon and Nikon have a range of lenses which can resolve to these levels. Agreed. More pixels just makes it harder to focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 4, 2015 Share #672 Posted February 4, 2015 [...] 24 MP is enough for me, more ISO would make me very happy [...] +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 4, 2015 Share #673 Posted February 4, 2015 When is the next M due? This year or next Photokina? If Leica sticks to the 3 year product cycle the successor of the Typ 240 would be announced this year, although it might become available a couple of months later, in 2016. But as there is no photokina this year and thus no reason to announce a product before it is ready, the announcement may be only next year. And then this is just extrapolating from previous models. I am frustrated with the stagnant resolution gains with Leica. Canon is about to release two 50MP cameras, Sony too, Nikon users will "put up with" 36MP. I fear the next M will, again, not gain much. You may be right and I for one would not mind at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 4, 2015 Share #674 Posted February 4, 2015 Huge MP count sensors are pointless unless Canon and Nikon have a range of lenses which can resolve to these levels. Lens Rentals did an analysis of the current range of Nikon Lenses and found few of them could resolve to much more than 17 or 18 MP and the best to barely 24MP. I doubt if the Canon lenses are dramatically different. Lens Rentals actually found a lot of lenses that work fine on 36 MP. And from 36 MP to 50 MP there is only about 20% more linear resolution. Canon and Nikon are also updating those pro-lenses that cannot resolve the new sensors. Then there are great Zeiss lenses in ZE or ZF mount. Then there is "stop down a bit to get the resolution". 50 MP are here to stay... until 100 MP arrive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 4, 2015 Share #675 Posted February 4, 2015 I am frustrated with the stagnant resolution gains with Leica. Canon is about to release two 50MP cameras, Sony too, Nikon users will "put up with" 36MP. I fear the next M will, again, not gain much. For Sony and Nikon it is just a matter of time. I would not be surprised if Canon's new sensor turned out to be a Canon-Sony collaboration. About Leica, I am afraid it will take considerably more time. Especially if Leica users are dismissive in this regard, as many forum users here. If Leica cannot do it, then it is not needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 4, 2015 Share #676 Posted February 4, 2015 Lens Rentals actually found a lot of lenses that work fine on 36 MP. Apologies, although I read a summary article on Lens Rentals blog, it was DxO that introduced the concept of perceptual megapixels for realistic measurement of resolution. The highest scoring Nikon 50mm "standard" lens was the 50mm AF f1.8D at 24 MP. There are higher scoring Nikon lenses than this but only one scores as high as 34MP, the 200mm AFS f2. The highest scoring Zeiss lens is the 135mm F2 ZE at 36 MP. You can see all these measurements on DxO's website. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2015 Share #677 Posted February 4, 2015 I really think we have entered into an era of diminishing returns. For 95% of photographers anything over 18 MP is overkill amounting to bragging rights and as soon as sensors have obtained 100% fill factor laws of physics will limit sensitivity. I think most Leica users in this forum have sense enough to determine the limits of their need. And then there is the biological barrier: if you cannot see it, an improvement makes no sense . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 4, 2015 Share #678 Posted February 4, 2015 ^^^ The "perceptual MP" (P-MP) is an interesting concept, but I am not really a fan of this kind of "trivializations". Just a few points, so we can take this "P-MP" thing with a big grain of salt: - What is the aperture at which it is computed ? - Which sensor(s) or optical benches are used ? - How can different lenses be compared ? - What if my sensor is monochromatic vs RGBG ? Which kind of demosaic algorithm is used, and which test patterns ? - What about center vs corner resolution ? Shouldn't this be a graph like the MTF ? - How comes the Zeiss APO Sonnar 135/2 is "stuck" at 36 MP ? Should it be "36+" just because DXO does not have any higher density sensor to test with ? ... and so on, and so forth. Before we have the answers to all this, it does not make sense to draw any conclusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 4, 2015 Share #679 Posted February 4, 2015 I really think we have entered into an era of diminishing returns. For 95% of photographers anything over 18 MP is overkill amounting to bragging rights and as soon as sensors have obtained 100% fill factor laws of physics will limit sensitivity. I think most Leica users in this forum have sense enough to determine the limits of their need. If that is the case, then why is the M Monochrome still selling ? Just buy an M and convert 24M RGBG pixels to B&W. And also: you don't know what you are missing until you experience it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2015 Share #680 Posted February 4, 2015 Because it is this side of the cbiokogical barrier, you can see a difference. A monochrome CMOS may well be the ultimate decelopment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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