AlanG Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1421 Posted October 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Assuming that I am right, I would be very grateful, Alan, if you could point me in the direction of a good step by step guide to making these profiles in LightRoom (preferably - I know RTFM! but if someone has been there before, why not shorten the journey). I am going to be of little help to you here as I don't use LightRoom. But in general, a profile is like a color recipe for processing a file. You simply have to adjust the color in a sample file to look the way you want, save that as a profile, and it can be recalled as a starting point for use with other images. As for my workflow, I virtually always shoot Raw and virtually always use the auto white balance setting in the camera. The reason for the auto white balance is that I just need the preview to be reasonably close since I am going to be adjusting the color balance and maybe even altering one or more colors to taste when I do my conversions to tif. Interior photography often involves mixed lighting - my strobes, windows and compact fluorescent is common. It is pretty common for me to work selectively on the yellow fill from the fluorescent by desaturating it some and shifting it a little redder. I could save this as a profile for re-use but I am pretty quick at fine tuning each photo and don't bother. I have no reason to waste my time by setting a specific Kelvin temperature just to try to get the preview to be a bit more accurate. That being said, I have observed that the auto white balance in my Sony Nex 6 does a far better job in various interior lighting situations than my Canon 5DIII does or any other camera I have owned. So that should bode well for the A7 I would think. If out of camera jpegs are needed, I'd expect auto color to be pretty good without needing a lot of fiddling. Sony also has an app that can run in the camera that lets you fine tune color and other aspects after the shot. Plus Sony has very good controls for quickly fine tuning the color settings while observing the scene in live view. Here is an example of the individual color correction for yellow and blue that I used after white balancing. You can see from the variety of lights in the room that it would be hard to figure out where in advance to place a white card to key off of. So I don't bother and simply adjust color to my taste. This may be one reason why I say the look of color from a given camera is pretty malleable even though others seem to care about color being "baked in." Anyway, the look I want may vary a lot from shot to shot so I can't see the default of one camera likely being better in numerous situations. BTW these cabinets are virtually black but I couldn't leave them quite that dark. I still have a bit more fine tuning on this shot before it is ready. I hate dark kitchens as they are pretty tricky to shoot. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2448280'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Hi AlanG, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
algrove Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1422 Posted October 22, 2013 My biggest concern with the Sony is the shutter noise. Seems trivial, but a noisy shutter doesn't work during a a quiet piano or bass solo. But my post was largely informational. From my perspective, it only matters what I do. Cheers The RX-1 sure can work during a quiet piano or bass solo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi996sps Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1423 Posted October 22, 2013 However there is the possibility that even after correction the results from some lenses and some F stops will not be as good as by using an M. Editing photos (lens correction) Alan, thank you for the link, a quick speed look through shows that it is full of very useful and invaluable information, which i will need to go back and read several times over to absorb and improve my understanding. Whether the A7r replaces or augments existing Leica M systems is a choice for individuals that will be played out over the coming months. For me personally, i am interested in the ZA 85mm f1.4 and 100mm macro offerings, both which, will be used on the A7r. If i can use my other leica glass with the A7r then that is an added bonus. Meanwhile, my long awaited M240 may become available, but it's purchase, may not be the certainty it previously was. I am moving up from an M8, and can now have a 2nd hand low shutter count M9, new A7r and new ZA85mm f1.4 lense, for the same cost as an M240. I am a happy bunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1424 Posted October 22, 2013 Exactly! Fruit and vegetables! No lens performance assessment is complete without them. So, if you're hoping to test the camera this Thursday, you need 50-28-24-21-18 & WATE, Novoflex adapter, SD cards, lightbox (and flowers or leaves to test for CA), tripod and a box of vegetables and fruit - I'm rather fond of apples, if you don't mind. PS - please also make sure you get your terminology right, and use as many baffling words about your methodology as possible - we will only read the summary for your conclusions on the actual camera, anyway. It's the methodology which really gets us going! And see how many you can stuff into a Billingham. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1425 Posted October 22, 2013 The RX-1 sure can work during a quiet piano or bass solo. Will take under advisement. Also back to looking at the Olympus, but I am only buying after testing. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1426 Posted October 22, 2013 We will just have to wait for the testing on the WA M lenses. I will be at PhotoPlus on Thursday, October 24. Unfortunately I can not find anyone attending the show that has any WA 21mm or 24mm M lenses. I have the adapters for the M lenses and only a 40mm lens along with an adapter and assortment of R lenses. For me, I am pretty covered for lenses 40mm? and longer MF lenses. It is just the 21 and the 28mm that I am hoping and praying for. Hopefully Sony will let me mount the lenses onto the A7r. Rich Rich I was hinting at letting you use my 21 SEM, but you never replied a few days ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1427 Posted October 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) RichI was hinting at letting you use my 21 SEM, but you never replied a few days ago. Sorry, I didn't pick up on that. When you asked where I lived, I thought you did so so that someone might step forward with a lens. I will just have to make due with what I have available. We will have to wait for the powers that be to test the 24mm and 21mm lenses on the camera. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted October 22, 2013 Share #1428 Posted October 22, 2013 I would be very grateful, Alan, if you could point me in the direction of a good step by step guide to making these profiles in LightRoom (preferably - I know RTFM! but if someone has been there before, why not shorten the journey). John, check out this video, it will get you started in the right direction for making color profiles in Lightroom: Hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1429 Posted October 23, 2013 ...I was looking at a Foto TV interview with Mr Nogami, from Sony's marketing division in Tokyo - in that interview, he makes the comment that it will take time for new lenses to be released for the new cameras, but the A7r has been designed to be used with Canon, Nikon and Leica lenses. Now, I don't read too much into this, but it is quite wrong to say that Leica doesn't feature in Sony's strategy - they are at least aware (and suggesting) that the A7r will be purchased by people to use with Leica lenses. Very interesting that he would mention competitors' lenses. They seem well aware that photographers can put a toe in the Sony water by getting the A7r body and a lens or two and not have to jump systems. Hopefully it will work well with most, if not all, Leica wides. I have a hard time imagining that Cmosis has the ability to do this and Sony does not. But perhaps they have a better handle on shallow well technology or whatever. That was supposedly the case of Dalsa CCD chips vs. Kodak... they handled shifts and tilts better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1430 Posted October 23, 2013 Obviously, Sony realizes that they don't have spectacular lenses yet for the A7. The strategy of suggesting users of other systems can use their lenses on this Sony body suggests to me that Sony believes that if you try your best lenses on this camera you are going to buy into the wait for A7 lenses. Nice to see they named Leica. Encouraging. Have to wait and see what reality brings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnievinyl Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1431 Posted October 23, 2013 IMHO, The problem of Leica is not weather A7R could affect their sales of M.... M is still not readily available, even for now.... And Leica probably wouldn't care... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1432 Posted October 23, 2013 On a more heartening note, some here have said that the words "Leica lenses" do not feature in the Sony marketing vocabulary. Not true! I was looking at a Foto TV interview with Mr Nogami, from Sony's marketing division in Tokyo - in that interview, he makes the comment that it will take time for new lenses to be released for the new cameras, but the A7r has been designed to be used with Canon, Nikon and Leica lenses. Leica M-or Leica-R lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1433 Posted October 23, 2013 Leica M-or Leica-R lenses? Good question indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1434 Posted October 23, 2013 Leica M-or Leica-R lenses? I guess we'll know soon enough. I'm not Sony, but if I was targeting Leica owners, collateral or otherwise, I wouldn't target the owners of a discontinued line of lenses. Just saying. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1435 Posted October 23, 2013 Does anybody expect major problems with R lenses? If so, why? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1436 Posted October 23, 2013 IMHO, The problem of Leica is not whether A7R could affect their sales of M.... M is still not readily available, even for now.... And Leica probably wouldn't care... Being a Leica customer is like dating the most beautiful girl in the world... who cares more about herself than you... but, you keep calling her back anyway... because the sex is so good... most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1437 Posted October 23, 2013 Obviously, Sony realizes that they don't have spectacular lenses yet for the A7. The strategy of suggesting users of other systems can use their lenses on this Sony body suggests to me that Sony believes that if you try your best lenses on this camera you are going to buy into the wait for A7 lenses. Nice to see they named Leica. Encouraging. Have to wait and see what reality brings. Leica lens compatibility doesn't necessarily just mean M lenses ... Leica R lens owners can now take advantage of 36 meg full frame mirror-less with a better EVF. Wouldn't mind putting a R100/2.8 macro on this camera for high resolution FF close-up photography. Most of the R to E adapters include a tripod mount to facilitate this. Leica itself is no stranger to cross lens compatibility when their lenses are slow to market, in short supply, or the price of their lens system is a road block to buying their S camera. The S adapter strategy is an example of this. Fully compatible Hasselblad H to S mount "smart" adapter that retains all data-bus functions of the HC/HCD lenses ... AND they supplied Adobe with Hasselblad lens corrections profiles tailored to their S sensor. Same for Contax 645 lenses. Dumb adapters for many other brands of lenses. All offered directly from Leica. IMO, the above has nothing to do with Leica acknowledging other makes or brands, it has to do with their own longer term strategy of making up for their slow market response. Sony has their own lens A mount system to adapt to the A7/A7R ... but is wise to acknowledge the desire to experiment with other makes of lenses on their camera while they roll out the FE line-up. One of the first things that struck me when viewing the initial downloadable images provided by Sony, specifically the one of a model using the FE 55 f/1.8 lens was the perfect skin tones from Auto WB ... and constancy of those skin tones from the adapted ZA 85/1.4 using manual WB. Strikingly natural looking renderings compared to initial samples from the M240 IMO. In fact, based on the look and feel of these samples, I see more of a consistency of rendering with my S camera, than consistency between the S and M240. This is a big deal for me and what and how I shoot. - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1438 Posted October 23, 2013 Obviously, Sony realizes that they don't have spectacular lenses yet for the A7. The strategy of suggesting users of other systems can use their lenses on this Sony body suggests to me that Sony believes that if you try your best lenses on this camera you are going to buy into the wait for A7 lenses. Nice to see they named Leica. Encouraging. Have to wait and see what reality brings. I don't know how people feel about the word "spectacular" but the images I have seen from the Sony FE 35mm and 55mm leave nothing to be desired Obviously we need Sean Reid , DXOMARK and others to do their anal stuff to fully see the picture. Leica wide angles are difficult as the design is uncorrected at the edges on the rear element (as I understand it). This was ok in film days but for digital needs angled microlenses. Leica did discuss internally some time ago changing the design of their lenses to correct for a flat sensor but decided not to. Not sure why but it might have been some incompatability of a new lens line with the M8, at the time, and film cameras. Sony did this in the RX1, as I understand the rear element has been designed for a flat sensor. I am not sure whether Sony is doing this in their new line of FE lenses, it will be interesting to find out. Nevertheless, the Leica wide angles are very difficult to deal with. The are ok on M4/3s with its tiny sensor but even on APS-C, as we have seen with the Nex-7, have problems. Athough the Nex-6 is pretty good. Even the M8, M9 and M240, with their angled micro-lenses have fringing, which is corrected by in-camera software. Therefore although it would be great if the A7r is perfect with the 18, 21, 24, etc. Leica lenses, I am not holding my breath. However I expect software to be able to correct minor issues. The comment about R lenses above is a good one. They should have no problems with a good adaptor and there are some excellent ones out there. Many Leica users have picked up a RX1 or RX1R (me included), since its just the cost of a Summicron 35mm in any event. The A7r is cheaper so I expect many people to be running multiple systems. I gave up the idea of one camera system for everything sometime ago, after many years of trying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1439 Posted October 23, 2013 I don't know how people feel about the word "spectacular" but the images I have seen from the Sony FE 35mm and 55mm leave nothing to be desired. Yes, I'm not sure what the problem with the lenses seems to be. The 35/F2.8 looks like it will be a superb lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1440 Posted October 23, 2013 Being a Leica customer is like dating the most beautiful girl in the world... who cares more about herself than you... but, you keep calling her back anyway... because the sex is so good... most of the time. Until she has black outs or there's so much lag it starts to feel unauthentic..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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