wlaidlaw Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #41 Posted August 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Even with the 30 fps refresh rate of the camera? Hard to believe Wilson but i wish i were wrong. I am going by the appearance of the VF-4 on my EP-5, which I think has a 60 fps refresh rate. I agree that with 30 fps you will get a bit of smearing if you move the camera too fast but the amplification at low light and the ability to focus clearly in low light with MF lenses on a big screen outweighs that. BTW I used to think that the focus peaking of the M240 was not very well implemented but it is far better than the EP-5, where it is too evident and white rather than red, so maybe Leica did get it right. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here New Firmware 2.0.0.11 beta or general release {merged}. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
canlogic Posted August 29, 2013 Share #42 Posted August 29, 2013 My understanding is that there is no support in the upcoming firmware for the VF4. If and when they come out with their own branded version of it then it will be supported. That's what I heard anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #43 Posted August 29, 2013 My understanding is that there is no support in the upcoming firmware for the VF4. If and when they come out with their own branded version of it then it will be supported. That's what I heard anyway. Makes sense. I would have been astounded (if pleasantly so) if the forthcoming FW update had support for the VF-4. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted August 29, 2013 Share #44 Posted August 29, 2013 I wouldn't expect anything more of Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted August 29, 2013 Share #45 Posted August 29, 2013 I wouldn't expect anything more of Leica. or "less"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted August 30, 2013 Share #46 Posted August 30, 2013 Is there an online source for the current FW version? It will be nice to have the option of downdating if for some reason one does't like the update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 30, 2013 Share #47 Posted August 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is there an online source for the current FW version?... http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/file/download.php?filename=file_7494.FW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted August 30, 2013 Share #48 Posted August 30, 2013 I hope they'll improve the way A mode operates with Auto settings. For exampe when I set Auto ISO to 3200 and Minimum shutter speed to 1/125s I don't want the camera to go below 1/125s. I'd rather have underexposed photo than to get blurry image because my shutter speed went to 1/15s. Thanks for posting this. I'm having the same problem. What's the point of having a minimum shutter speed setting, because the camera is ignoring that setting. A very strange "feature" if you ask me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted August 30, 2013 Thanks for posting this. I'm having the same problem. What's the point of having a minimum shutter speed setting, because the camera is ignoring that setting. A very strange "feature" if you ask me... I think you probably have to regard it as an ISO stepping up shutter speed rather than a minimum speed. If you want minimum shutter speed in absolute terms, you have to go to manual not A on the speed dial. If you changed the floor speed on auto ISO to a true minimum speed, you would probably have even more folks complaining about under-exposed images Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted August 30, 2013 Share #50 Posted August 30, 2013 I think you probably have to regard it as an ISO stepping up shutter speed rather than a minimum speed. If you want minimum shutter speed in absolute terms, you have to go to manual not A on the speed dial. If you changed the floor speed on auto ISO to a true minimum speed, you would probably have even more folks complaining about under-exposed images Wilson Thanks! I've only had this camera for a week and am trying to figure out my exposure workflow... I've tried your suggestion but how does the ISO behave in this scenario? I've been getting under-exposures... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted August 30, 2013 Share #51 Posted August 30, 2013 There is a bug in the current version of the firmware. When you switch to a fixed shutter speed Auto ISO turns into Random ISO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share #52 Posted August 30, 2013 Thanks! I've only had this camera for a week and am trying to figure out my exposure workflow... I've tried your suggestion but how does the ISO behave in this scenario? I've been getting under-exposures... Auto ISO does not work on the M240 with manual shutter speed . I know some folks have been saying it should but it doesn't and I suspect never will. Personally I see nothing wrong with making this a user selectable feature. Plenty of other digital cameras have auto ISO on manual shutter and aperture (these are cameras which can electronically control the aperture unlike the M240). Basically what they do is use the ISO to set correct exposure (as far as possible), after you have selected an aperture and shutter speed. This is a particularly useful feature for sports photographers. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted August 30, 2013 Share #53 Posted August 30, 2013 This appears to be a major version release. In software world, these are usually releases with new features. I wonder if Leica thinks that way about numbering, too and what we could see beyond fixes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted August 30, 2013 Share #54 Posted August 30, 2013 This appears to be a major version release. In software world, these are usually releases with new features. I wonder if Leica thinks that way about numbering, too and what we could see beyond fixes. I hope your wonderment foretells good news for us all! A very nice step beyond bug fixes and improved treatment of WB would be support for a version of the Epson/Oly VF4 EVF. Perhaps Leica will offer its thought-in-Germany version with an incomprehensible instruction booklet, hand-stitched leather case with exceptional aroma and Leica ueber pricing . Oh, and it will work really, really well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted August 30, 2013 Share #55 Posted August 30, 2013 Auto ISO does not work on the M (Typ 240) with manual shutter speed ... Believe it or not—that's a feature, not a bug. Some folks at Leica Camera seriously believe it should be this way. Of course it shouldn't, but ... oh well. At least they promised it will get fixed "in one of the next firmware updates." Then you'll be able to choose between normal and crippled Auto ISO behaviour in manual-exposure mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 31, 2013 Share #56 Posted August 31, 2013 Crippled auto- ISO or crippled manual mode. Both systems have their place. If you use manual mode to achieve precise exposure, an auto-ISO that remains active messes things up completely. If you want to use Auto-ISO to keep the shutter speed and aperture settings constant in changing light it should remain active. in manual mode. There is no right or wrong in this case and nobody should have the arrogance to claim his preferred system as the only correct one. Leica is absolutely correct to offer the user the choice between the two systems in the -hopefully near- future. For the moment the present system suits me best for day-to-day shooting. Next month I will be using tele lenses in changing light and I will be wishing for the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 31, 2013 Author Share #57 Posted August 31, 2013 Jaap, ......and that is exactly why the Auto ISO behaviour should be user selectable in the menu, as I said in my post above. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted August 31, 2013 Share #58 Posted August 31, 2013 I often shoot under difficult and changing light conditions. Using Auto ISO with a minimal shutter speed of 1/125 prevents blurring when people are speaking and moving their heads slightly. However there are always moments when you can use a longer shutter speed, when your motive doesn't move. With a M9 or a M8 you can simply turn the shutter speed dial to 1/60s and you prevent ISO to go too high. After the shot you can switch back very quickly. This even works with a M8. There is no need to take such a good feature away from the newest model, only because some Leica owners have cried out too loud that they are not capable of using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted August 31, 2013 Share #59 Posted August 31, 2013 Only in Leica's head does "Auto" mean anything but, well, Auto. I look forward to the new firmware, extending this new reality. With "Continuous" shooting mode not being continuous at all. "Auto WB" selecting a K value you once used in the past. I used to love those "Lucky Dip" bags for 50p at the sweet shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 31, 2013 Share #60 Posted August 31, 2013 Jaap, ......and that is exactly why the Auto ISO behaviour should be user selectable in the menu, as I said in my post above. Wilson Full agreement I see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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