luigi bertolotti Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1241 Posted June 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) After reading this entire thread and considering all the points of view, here is my two cents. My photoshop fake below takes that other photoshop fake one step further by proposing the idea of an X-EVIL. Such a camera would not cannibalize the existing M market but rather fill the large hole in their product line by entering the very popular and growing mirrorless interchangeable APS market represented by Sony NEX and Fuji X. The current X2 body is very close in size to the NEX 7. It was pointed out earlier in this thread ( http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m-52.html#post2416030 ) that CMOSiS may already have a "Mini" sensor, which if it is APS-C (or H) could conceivably retain a 24MP resolution to compete with the NEX 7. Plus it has been rumored that Leica has been working on an EVIL camera for quite some time, even dropping hints that it would be "at least APS-C size" If not FF, could the X be a possible platform? By adding a new interchangeable AF lens line, as many have suggested, Leica can appeal to a much larger customer base that will never consider manual focus lenses or RF cameras. Although my suggested price is much higher than competing APS models, many will choose Leica for superior optics and build quality. For $1,500 more than the X2, you get a higher resolution sensor and built-in EVF. A new X series of compact AF lenses would be optimized for digital sensors (like the new Zeiss Touit AF line for APS) and be similar in quality and price to existing Summarit-M lenses, without cannibalizing the premium M line. This camera system could grow Leica's marketshare and help them to achieve their 1% goal. The M family (M, MM, and M-E) remains FF with top-of-the-line lenses and RF. An X-EVIL would offer existing M owners an affordable second body to mount their M lenses on. If Leica made an adaptor similar to the Speedbooster, M and R lenses could retain their focal length and gain a stop, alleviating the crop factor. The X-EVIL also provides an alternative to M for those who want a lightweight compact body able to take any Leica lens, including AF. Not really expecting such a camera next week, but I hope Leica has something similar in their pipeline. Fine excercise for a camera I would seriously consider to buy... in case Leica will make it like you write and at that price (and so better if APS-H) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 6, 2013 Posted June 6, 2013 Hi luigi bertolotti, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1242 Posted June 6, 2013 Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I too don't think Leica would be this oblivious or audacious enough to create a viral marketing campaign around THIS camera. Well said... making such a campaigning, around a zoomed X, and finally having the famed LeicaRumor to guess exactly... would be a flop of image in any sense... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1243 Posted June 6, 2013 To say the least.. Preparing the bottle Luigi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1244 Posted June 6, 2013 Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I too don't think Leica would be this oblivious or audacious enough to create a viral marketing campaign around THIS camera. While I'm inclined to agree, did they really create a viral campaign? Or did the forum whip up a storm in a teacup? One thing is for certain, one of Leica's best assets is it's customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1245 Posted June 6, 2013 I completely disagree with the idea that Leica is purposely deceiving people with fake leaks, etc....no company would want to leak subpar products to lower expectations.....especially Leica, who aren't exactly the sharpest knives when it comes to advertising. in reality I think they tried to create some buzz and instead got undermined by some fake photoshops and now find themselves in an awkward position of "err...that's not the camera....what do we do til June 11th?" I do, however feel that Leica deserve this for calling the camera 'mini M', which is really going to be a misnomer at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1246 Posted June 6, 2013 Maybe we attach far too much importance to a thread with just over 1200 posts, which hardly qualifies for "viral" by the standards of most media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1247 Posted June 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica Singapore have just posted the following photo... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2340625'>More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1248 Posted June 6, 2013 Leica Singapore have just posted the following photo... thanks the first real decent photo well its got a video button looks very X like - is it fixed lens or interchangeable, that is the question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1249 Posted June 6, 2013 Actually, if you overlay the latest Singapore image with the French leaked one, they are identical images, and I mean identical. So, either some hoaxer has done both images. Or the French one is the real deal all along. edit: And as I'm open in thinking the "tease" is dumb. I really hope for their sake the French one was a fake. Imagine having said "You've heard the rumours, now get the truth!" in ANOTHER teaser if the rumour was, in fact, wholly accurate! To me, that's just pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1250 Posted June 6, 2013 Meh! Where's that bag thread ... Grrrr! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1251 Posted June 6, 2013 Hi, Personally, I find this whole 'peek-a-boo' Ad campaign and all the circus surrounding it irritating and not something I would expect from Leica, as it appears to be just attention gathering - perhaps to take our minds off other companies products ? which of course they are entitled to do, but it's still irritating. IMO if it had been done as a series of these disclosures, but daily in the last 4 or so days before the event, then I could understand that, but what has been done is just silly PR. I'm in the market for a digital CL type camera that hopefully could take R lenses via an adaptor, and I'm confident that if Leica did introduce such a camera it would sell very well, and even if it took M sales away, - so what, they'd still be selling Leicas and presumably more lenses ! My rant over ! Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrad Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1252 Posted June 6, 2013 Leica rumors has reported that the new camera will indeed be just an X with a fixed SLOW zoom stuck on it for 2500 Euros! Leica should be ashamed of themselves for releasing this turd. You have to wonder how they could be so completely out of touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1253 Posted June 6, 2013 Still nothing new since http://tinyurl.com/lxlxyg5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperfiction Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1254 Posted June 6, 2013 Just posted on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=201753456643737&set=a.159392520879831.37878.159391727546577&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1255 Posted June 6, 2013 and this one also from facebook http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/dc/img/2013-05/29/4852329/oscar210_5_Leica-_1655fb507e103c1e9bf0d9eb0c416d83.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indie Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1256 Posted June 6, 2013 Leica X Vario Type 107 detailed specifications | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1257 Posted June 6, 2013 according to leica rumors this morning, it looks like a 28/70 equivalent zoom, aps sensor, 16.2mp, why this is the mini M as opposed to the micro M (x2). This is just an X2 with a zoom, ho-hum, for around $3000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1258 Posted June 6, 2013 No FF. No M-lens interchangeability. To me it's only an interesting, but expensive and larger, upmarket option to a D-Lux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl G Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1259 Posted June 6, 2013 Not sure why the Leica Vario X type 107 is in the "M" section? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1260 Posted June 6, 2013 It appears to reside squarely at the intersection of "uncompetitive" and "overpriced." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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