blueweed Posted April 4, 2013 Share #41 Posted April 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) may I add the M240 is heavier, coupled with a even heavier 50mm chrome summilux(which I surmise is a popular combo) = scary to sling camera on shoulder? This no good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Hi blueweed, Take a look here Leica M strap lugs unscrewing (merged). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaques Posted April 4, 2013 Share #42 Posted April 4, 2013 i seem to recall a thread where someones m9 lug failed- camera and lens were damaged- but Leica would not pay for the repair of the lens? Given the weight and value of a noctilux these lugs should be significantly over-engineered. One really wants to be able to totally trust a camera strap... I had a Canonet QL19 and the lug came undone whilst I was crossing a road... camera clattered down and suffered some serious damage- nearly got run over by a bus as well... . Luckily it only cost me $5... and was 40 years old... still I was pissed. Lugs should outlast shutters... This thread makes me glad I am waiting before I board the good ship M... Let the wrinkles be ironed and the prices drop I say... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markechoes Posted April 4, 2013 Share #43 Posted April 4, 2013 My M9 did this. I was living in Berlin at the time and Leica sent a courier to pick it up. Took a few weeks. From memory the danger is the screws getting into places they shouldn't be (Shutter etc). Since being fixed its been fine - some 1.5 years later... Mark Photographs by Mark Irwin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks500 Posted April 4, 2013 Share #44 Posted April 4, 2013 And... that just solidified my choice to use a BlackRapid strap when mine arrives. I use a black rapid and its much better than a standard neck strap, I wear the camera a lot higher than I would a dslr. I wear my MM at the height of my elbow (when my arms are down by my side). now all I have to do is find somebody selling this in the UK BlackRapid FastenR Stealth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 4, 2013 Share #45 Posted April 4, 2013 Very rapid to shoot upside down i guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted April 4, 2013 Share #46 Posted April 4, 2013 Why do they use screws anyway? It seems a rivet type fitting would be more durable? Screws that can fall inside the camera and wreak havoc seems a silly idea. Bring back to the old elephant ear lugs of the early m3's... Sometimes just looking at the M9 lug - to my untrained eye- it does not look quite as strong as I would like it to look- it seems a little small - and the base potentially weak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericborgstrom Posted April 4, 2013 Share #47 Posted April 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) This happened with my M9 after one year of use. The inner part of the strap lug blocked the shutter making the M9 not functioning. Solms fixed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted April 4, 2013 Share #48 Posted April 4, 2013 Let me see; if I remember correctly steel can be "stick-welded" whereas brass needs "brazing". Know how I'm going to modify my M when it arrives. _________________ Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 4, 2013 Share #49 Posted April 4, 2013 Let me see; if I remember correctly steel can be "stick-welded" whereas brass needs "brazing". Know how I'm going to modify my M when it arrives. Don't forget the body where the lugs are fitted is made from an ugly magnesium material. I doubt it will take a weld or braze very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookeye Posted April 4, 2013 Share #50 Posted April 4, 2013 And riveting is risky too. The pressure from the rivet can easily introduce stresses and cracks in the brittle magnesium. I had an M4-P once where one of the riveted lugs fell off, leaving a gaping hole in the camera body Cudos to Leica who at the time replaced the camera with a brand new M6, even if the warranty period had long expired. I still have that M6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted April 4, 2013 Share #51 Posted April 4, 2013 Tell me again the benefits of being an early adopter...? Regards, Bill Sent from another Galaxy Hi Bill Seems it's been happening for years, even with an M4-P. Seems like being a late adopter isn't going to save you! . . . . . you don't need me to tell you the benefits of being an early adopter though! all the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted April 4, 2013 Share #52 Posted April 4, 2013 It may be too early in the case of the recent incident involving the M, but it would be nice if Leica would occasionally communicate with its customers by notifying them of the potential problem and offering solutions for addressing it. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. By communicating with people, Leica would minimize the potential damage and inconvenience to all. Undoubtedly, everyone who reads this thread is now checking the straps and lugs, but many owners may be unaware of the potential problem. Even those who read the thread don't necessarily have a plan for addressing the issue. Since the Tylenol killings, standard practice has to been to address bad news upfront and openly. I'd never heard of the problem with the M9 or the MM. Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted April 4, 2013 Share #53 Posted April 4, 2013 i seem to recall a thread where someones m9 lug failed- camera and lens were damaged- but Leica would not pay for the repair of the lens? If that is correct then this is HORRIBLE service from Leica's part. Even if it is a Leica lens, a Zeiss lens or whatever lens - and other accossories that are attached to the camera - Leica should have to cover the total expense. I mean, it is the camera body's fault that all the other gear got damaged in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted April 4, 2013 Share #54 Posted April 4, 2013 Since the Tylenol killings, standard practice has to been to address bad news upfront and openly. I'd never heard of the problem with the M9 or the MM. Jack Siegel Well, nobody died yet, but there have been reports of the same problem with M9's and the X1 on this forum in the past. I would have thought that Leica had found a solution by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted April 4, 2013 Share #55 Posted April 4, 2013 Bloody Nora. This is very disappointing to see this rear it's head again. Bloody Nora? Hey, that's my wife's name. A longtime friend had this problem with a new M6 back in the early 90s. The lug came out and his camera fell to the pavement. Caused him to stop using Leica products altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 5, 2013 Share #56 Posted April 5, 2013 Seems it's been happening for years, even with an M4-P. Seems like being a late adopter isn't going to save you! A longtime friend had this problem with a new M6 back in the early 90s. The lug came out and his camera fell to the pavement. Caused him to stop using Leica products altogether. Apparently even after trying to solve this very difficult problem for decades, a solution still eludes skilled German engineers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 5, 2013 Share #57 Posted April 5, 2013 My II is lugless... Solves all the arguments Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted April 5, 2013 Share #58 Posted April 5, 2013 After this issue was discussed in the German forum Wolfgang (our new moderator digilux) contacted the Leica product management and the customer service. In German: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m9/278839-instabile-gurthalterung-2.html#post2366623 Leica thinks that this was a single case in which the screw lock (right word?) was forgotten. Normally all screws are secured by Loctite. If anyone has problems with loose strap lugs, please contact the customer service in order to avoid damage. Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted April 5, 2013 Share #59 Posted April 5, 2013 After this issue was discussed in the German forum Wolfgang (our new moderator digilux) contacted the Leica product management and the customer service. In German: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m9/278839-instabile-gurthalterung-2.html#post2366623 Leica thinks that this was a single case in which the screw lock (right word?) was forgotten. Normally all screws are secured by Loctite. If anyone has problems with loose strap lugs, please contact the customer service in order to avoid damage. Andreas Sorry Andreas but Leica must know this isn't an isolated case, the same problem has been reported a number of times on the forum (and no doubt there have been other cases too). Why do Leica try to deny problems like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted April 5, 2013 Share #60 Posted April 5, 2013 Why do Leica try to deny problems like this? It seems they are taking their cues from Nikon service . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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