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i seem to recall a thread where someones m9 lug failed- camera and lens were damaged- but Leica would not pay for the repair of the lens?

 

Given the weight and value of a noctilux these lugs should be significantly over-engineered. One really wants to be able to totally trust a camera strap...

 

I had a Canonet QL19 and the lug came undone whilst I was crossing a road... camera clattered down and suffered some serious damage- nearly got run over by a bus as well... . Luckily it only cost me $5... and was 40 years old... still I was pissed. Lugs should outlast shutters...

 

This thread makes me glad I am waiting before I board the good ship M... Let the wrinkles be ironed and the prices drop I say...

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And... that just solidified my choice to use a BlackRapid strap when mine arrives.

 

I use a black rapid and its much better than a standard neck strap, I wear the camera a lot higher than I would a dslr. I wear my MM at the height of my elbow (when my arms are down by my side). now all I have to do is find somebody selling this in the UK BlackRapid FastenR Stealth

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Why do they use screws anyway? It seems a rivet type fitting would be more durable? Screws that can fall inside the camera and wreak havoc seems a silly idea. Bring back to the old elephant ear lugs of the early m3's...

 

Sometimes just looking at the M9 lug - to my untrained eye- it does not look quite as strong as I would like it to look- it seems a little small - and the base potentially weak.

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Let me see; if I remember correctly steel can be "stick-welded" whereas brass needs "brazing". Know how I'm going to modify my M when it arrives.

 

Don't forget the body where the lugs are fitted is made from an ugly magnesium material. I doubt it will take a weld or braze very well.

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And riveting is risky too. The pressure from the rivet can easily introduce stresses and cracks in the brittle magnesium. I had an M4-P once where one of the riveted lugs fell off, leaving a gaping hole in the camera body :eek:

 

Cudos to Leica who at the time replaced the camera with a brand new M6, even if the warranty period had long expired. I still have that M6.

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Tell me again the benefits of being an early adopter...?

 

Regards,

 

Bill

 

Sent from another Galaxy

 

Hi Bill

Seems it's been happening for years, even with an M4-P. Seems like being a late adopter isn't going to save you!

 

. . . . . you don't need me to tell you the benefits of being an early adopter though!

 

all the best

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It may be too early in the case of the recent incident involving the M, but it would be nice if Leica would occasionally communicate with its customers by notifying them of the potential problem and offering solutions for addressing it. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away.

 

By communicating with people, Leica would minimize the potential damage and inconvenience to all. Undoubtedly, everyone who reads this thread is now checking the straps and lugs, but many owners may be unaware of the potential problem. Even those who read the thread don't necessarily have a plan for addressing the issue.

 

Since the Tylenol killings, standard practice has to been to address bad news upfront and openly. I'd never heard of the problem with the M9 or the MM.

 

Jack Siegel

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i seem to recall a thread where someones m9 lug failed- camera and lens were damaged- but Leica would not pay for the repair of the lens?

 

If that is correct then this is HORRIBLE service from Leica's part. Even if it is a Leica lens, a Zeiss lens or whatever lens - and other accossories that are attached to the camera - Leica should have to cover the total expense. I mean, it is the camera body's fault that all the other gear got damaged in the first place.

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Since the Tylenol killings, standard practice has to been to address bad news upfront and openly. I'd never heard of the problem with the M9 or the MM.

 

Jack Siegel

 

Well, nobody died yet, but there have been reports of the same problem with M9's and the X1 on this forum in the past. I would have thought that Leica had found a solution by now.

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Bloody Nora. This is very disappointing to see this rear it's head again.

 

Bloody Nora? Hey, that's my wife's name.

 

A longtime friend had this problem with a new M6 back in the early 90s. The lug came out and his camera fell to the pavement. Caused him to stop using Leica products altogether.

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Seems it's been happening for years, even with an M4-P. Seems like being a late adopter isn't going to save you!

 

A longtime friend had this problem with a new M6 back in the early 90s. The lug came out and his camera fell to the pavement. Caused him to stop using Leica products altogether.

 

Apparently even after trying to solve this very difficult problem for decades, a solution still eludes skilled German engineers.

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After this issue was discussed in the German forum Wolfgang (our new moderator digilux) contacted the Leica product management and the customer service.

 

In German:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m9/278839-instabile-gurthalterung-2.html#post2366623

 

Leica thinks that this was a single case in which the screw lock (right word?) was forgotten. Normally all screws are secured by Loctite.

If anyone has problems with loose strap lugs, please contact the customer service in order to avoid damage.

 

Andreas

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After this issue was discussed in the German forum Wolfgang (our new moderator digilux) contacted the Leica product management and the customer service.

 

In German:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m9/278839-instabile-gurthalterung-2.html#post2366623

 

Leica thinks that this was a single case in which the screw lock (right word?) was forgotten. Normally all screws are secured by Loctite.

If anyone has problems with loose strap lugs, please contact the customer service in order to avoid damage.

 

Andreas

 

Sorry Andreas but Leica must know this isn't an isolated case, the same problem has been reported a number of times on the forum (and no doubt there have been other cases too).

 

Why do Leica try to deny problems like this?

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