IWC Doppel Posted November 22, 2012 Share #21 Posted November 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 28 Summicron is the perfect blend of unparalleled natural detail, classic bokeh (Less charismatic than some but very smooth/gradual and anything but modern) Stopped down it moves into shockingly resolving. see below at f5.6. Wide open it's better than most stopped down. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/192719-28-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2172871'>More sharing options...
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rramesh Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share #22 Posted November 23, 2012 Hi Wilson. If the Contax hood has a wider angle than the original Leica hood, in your experience, is it effective? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2012 Share #23 Posted November 23, 2012 Ramchand, I have had no issues with the smaller hood but I think it is a pretty flare resistant lens in the first place. Most of the time, you could probably get away without a hood at all. Zeiss who designed the hood for use on the 28 mm Biogon G lens, are very focused on flare resistance on their lenses (look how good the ZM and Contax SLR lenses are in this respect). Given this, I cannot imagine they did not test the GG1 hood for effectiveness. One other point I should have made is that there is a mechanical weakness in the 28 ASPH lens. The front lens element housing has a tendency to become loose from the main lens body. This had happened to mine before I got it and has also happened to the 28 Summicrons of two other members that I know, one three times. There were other mutterings on this forum. Now I have not seen anything recently so this may have been cured. Leica said to one of my friends that this was due to folks mounting and un-mounting the lens using the standard hood. It is actually quite difficult to do anything else, particularly for older users like me with arthritic hands. The smaller Contax hood makes it much easier to mount the lens by gripping the main body, rather than the hood or focus/aperture rings. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted November 23, 2012 Share #24 Posted November 23, 2012 It is true that the front element may go loose - also when you don't mount and unmount the lens holding the hood. (Rather weak excuse, if Leica really says that this causes trouble. Their lenses should be built to withstand any usage which doesn't apply undue force). I only got it fixed after I found and used a turnscrew with proper size, fixing the screws as fast as they'd go. They stayed stabile for some months of regular use now, I hope it will last, as I don't want to glue the screws: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share #25 Posted November 23, 2012 I checked with Leica. The front part of the lens assembly has three screws that hold the ring in place.. Some customers do not align the hood first and then mount the hood correctly. Rather they slide it back and forth loosening the front ring. Others over tighten filters and screw mounted hoods. These two are the biggest culprits to the front being loosened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2012 Share #26 Posted November 23, 2012 I checked with Leica. The front part of the lens assembly has three screws that hold the ring in place.. Some customers do not align the hood first and then mount the hood correctly. Rather they slide it back and forth loosening the front ring. Others over tighten filters and screw mounted hoods. These two are the biggest culprits to the front being loosened. It is still not a great bit of design. Rather than the tiny set screws only locating in small detents in alloy, which can become worn, it would have been far better if they located positively in tapped holes in the inner body or another method all together of preventing the front element body from coming detached or loose. If you come up with a design where the temptation is to use it incorrectly, you can be 100% sure that people will use it "incorrectly," as the norm. As Uli says, a weak excuse from Leica. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted November 23, 2012 Share #27 Posted November 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, some designers of excellent products take customers for their biggest foes. I am not aware of unproper sliding or unmounting the hood in the past. Though I have the bad manners of putting the lens in its proper "leather"-case: hood goes into a rectangular spare in the basement of the case. When you put it in or out you might turn the lens a little bit to find the right way. This can cause some lever force from the hood on the front element. Since I am now using the (wonderful cheap:eek:) round 12466-hood, which doesn't fit into the rectangular hole in the lens case, my Summicron's seems to have some relieve from former suffering. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/181344-leica-12589-vs-12466-replacement-hood.html#post1699643 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarcRF Posted November 23, 2012 Share #28 Posted November 23, 2012 when I read all of this here I'm so glad I saved 1650€ by choosing the elmarit 28 asph which works perfectly well with the hood it came with... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted November 23, 2012 Share #29 Posted November 23, 2012 I have had no issues with the 12451 hood on my 28 Summicron, or using another 12451 on my 35 Summilux ASPH, I also have no issues with my 12587 hood on my 35 Summilux Aspherical. All have little screws that have stayed in place I would however love a 12466 hood if they werent £300+ ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2012 Share #30 Posted November 23, 2012 Those 12466's are lovely hoods and I have a very similar on my 28-35-50 MATE. The only downside is that it is a bit of a fiddle getting the lens cap on and off. The original Leica cap, with the release tabs at the edges was hopeless and I now use a Hama one, which has ribbed tabs in the middle of the cap, that you squeeze to release it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted November 23, 2012 With a UV filter on, I never use lens caps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 23, 2012 Share #32 Posted November 23, 2012 when I read all of this here I'm so glad I saved 1650€ by choosing the elmarit 28 asph which works perfectly well with the hood it came with... My first 28 was the 2.8/28 Elmarit SPH. Fantastic lens. I replaced it a year later with the 2.0/28 Summicron ASPH (but with the vented metal hood) to find out what all the fuss was about . Extraordinarily fantastic lens! This comment is bound to open up that old Summicron vs Elmarit quality debate, but this is just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 23, 2012 Share #33 Posted November 23, 2012 I'm soon to receive my 28/2Asph. On a recent trip to Paris I took only a 50 and a 24. I found these two focal lengths are so very different I was lamenting not bringing a 35mm (my usual goto lens). I'm hoping that my 50lux and the 28/2 will be a nice two lens combo. Reading a few 28/2 threads I've been surprised at the way people speak of the rendering of the 28/2. It sounds like a very special lens that Leica got right. The only downside seems to be the front element falls off Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 23, 2012 Share #34 Posted November 23, 2012 With a UV filter on, I never use lens caps. Using lens caps, I never have an UV filter on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 23, 2012 Share #35 Posted November 23, 2012 This comment is bound to open up that old Summicron vs Elmarit quality debate ... No, it isn't, because there is no quality debate. Both of the current M 28 mm Asph lenses are equally good, and both are an improvement over the previous non-Asph Elmarit-M 28 mm (which was no slouch). The current Elmarit-M 28 mm Asph is just one stop slower than the Summicron but also significantly smaller, lighter, and more affordable. The only thing possibly open to debate is the differences in rendition, or character, and which you like better—if there is a difference in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted November 23, 2012 Share #36 Posted November 23, 2012 I'm soon to receive my 28/2Asph. On a recent trip to Paris I took only a 50 and a 24. I found these two focal lengths are so very different I was lamenting not bringing a 35mm (my usual goto lens). I'm hoping that my 50lux and the 28/2 will be a nice two lens combo. Reading a few 28/2 threads I've been surprised at the way people speak of the rendering of the 28/2. It sounds like a very special lens that Leica got right. The only downside seems to be the front element falls off Pete I took my 24,28 and 35 to Venice this year and found this combination to cover most circumstances I wanted, all very different. I would take a 50 too next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 23, 2012 Share #37 Posted November 23, 2012 I'm so happy with the 12589 hood. Does-it vignette on the M9? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/192719-28-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2173359'>More sharing options...
jip Posted November 23, 2012 Share #38 Posted November 23, 2012 I've got a 28mm Elmarit-M and rarely use it, I used to use it allot on the M8.2, but since I got a M9 I haven't used it as much, only in some architectural shots... I always tend to use the 35mm cron ASPH and 50mm cron. I also got a M6 TTL with 0.85 finder, so I don't even try using it on that camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 24, 2012 Share #39 Posted November 24, 2012 Olaf, you're quite wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 24, 2012 Share #40 Posted November 24, 2012 I'm so happy with the 12589 hood. Does-it vignette on the M9? I have it as well as the metal vented hood. The 12589 does not vignette. The only issue is that the hood's locking ring is very close to, and a little wider than the aperture ring, and therefore does hamper it's use a bit. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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