chrism Posted September 17, 2012 Share #121 Posted September 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I looked at the Leica page and I looked (eventually) through the Reid Reviews article. I can't see whether there is an anti-aliasing filter or not on the sensor. I guess I'm looking because I want Leica to be around. Between the film Ms, the M9 and the M-M I'm not thinking of buying. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Hi chrism, Take a look here Leica M and M-E. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
howard_cummer Posted September 17, 2012 Share #122 Posted September 17, 2012 What about auto aperture with R lenses through the R > M adaptor - the Leica literature that I scanned quickly seems silent on this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted September 17, 2012 Share #123 Posted September 17, 2012 What about auto aperture with R lenses through the R > M adaptor - the Leica literature that I scanned quickly seems silent on this point. How could there be auto aperture with no mechanical or electronic connection?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted September 17, 2012 Share #124 Posted September 17, 2012 The added 5mm in girth, thickness, might possibly be from the addition of the the small thumb rest which now protrudes from the back of the camera body. It isnt: the screen protrudes to the same distance as the thumbrest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted September 17, 2012 Share #125 Posted September 17, 2012 The 'M' looks very, very nice. Seems like Leica managed to bring the M-series in to the modern age without ruining the 'Gestalt' of the camera. It still is an expensive piece of gear, but the features and performance now go a long way in justifying that price. New 24MP CMOS sensor, improved ergonomics, weather sealing, the EVF and R compatibility, better battery life, video, live view etc. Nicely done Leica. I suspect that the M will sell like crazy. The M-E looks like an M9 priced closer to where it should have been all along given it's performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 17, 2012 Share #126 Posted September 17, 2012 Aside from some fatness and limited top isos, the M looks like what most of us did expect from the M10 including a bearable price and an R solution. The 2m framelines are a good surprise and the thumb rest a welcome addition whilst M9 lovers are not forgotten with the M-E. Remains to see how the CMOS sensor and the X2's EVF will behave on the field. And if M8 users will be offered another alternative than "upgrading" to the M9 in case of dead LCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm23221 Posted September 17, 2012 Share #127 Posted September 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was hoping for a Hermes version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted September 17, 2012 Share #128 Posted September 17, 2012 No one has mentioned the M-E colour from what I can see. Battleship grey. Not pretty. There were gasps when we found out the price of the M. Seriously tempted to join the Digital M fraternity now, but will leave it a year to see what the "Number 2 on dealers list" guys discover first. Me too. Sounds good so far, but I'd give it a wide berth until some objective reviews surface. Criticisms always surface, though some flaws are not necessarily deal breakers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted September 17, 2012 Share #129 Posted September 17, 2012 Definitely the M9. The ME has done away with fame lines that adjust to the lens mounted. According to my local Leica distributor the ME will not have fame lines. He could not elaborate further. Perhaps it will just have a fixed set of frame lines. The M, on the other hand, will have LCD frame lines like the M9 Titanium. Key question: M-E or M9? Which would you go for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markechoes Posted September 17, 2012 Share #130 Posted September 17, 2012 I think the new M will be a great camera. Props to Leica! I shall however, continue shooting with my M9. Why? Well I prefer the romance of vintage guitar amps, Vinyl records and film. I still feel the M9 has the romace I enjoy with enough technology to make it easier to process. In many ways it does feel like my M2. The M9 still, I feel, has more to offer than my skills as a photographer. Cant wait to see what the new M will bring! I will enjoy seeing what its capable of. Mark Photographs by Mark Irwin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 17, 2012 Share #131 Posted September 17, 2012 (...) The ME has done away with fame lines that adjust to the lens mounted. According to my local Leica distributor the ME will not have fame lines. (...). The ME does not have the frameline selection lever. You can not manually switch framelines. It will change framelines according to the lens mounted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
njleach Posted September 17, 2012 Share #132 Posted September 17, 2012 Interested to see how the new sensor performs, but it's a shame they didn't license the D800E sensor as that is extremely highly regarded (but I guess too many would have compared the price of the D800E to the new M). Also who the hell puts silver buttons on an all black body ?? It makes the M look cheap and nasty. Surprised no one has mentioned the 240k display on the M-E. They must have had a huge oversupply when they ordered those for the M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat Posted September 17, 2012 Share #133 Posted September 17, 2012 Every DSLR I've bought in last few years has a "self-cleaning" sensor. I haven't seen anything about that feature on the M. It (along with M9, etc) sure could use it. I'd hoped it would show up on the new M. Nikon and Canon ones work great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 17, 2012 Share #134 Posted September 17, 2012 The new M is gonna suck battery A LOT! Pretty much everybody else with video and live view in a high end body has a battery grip for just that reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnoble Posted September 17, 2012 Share #135 Posted September 17, 2012 From my POV this is all about the sensor. It is always possible that CMOSIS will hit a home run, but today Sony dominates the full frame sensor market in performance terms, as Canon will regretfully confirm! The fact that Leica doesn't mention ISO (or dynamic) range in the body of its press release suggests that this is not an area they wish to dwell on. An ISO range of 200-6,400 does not auger well. I personally keep a 35mm Summilux FLE permanently on my M9 and so am very, very interested to see how the Sony RX1 performs. According Sony the sensor outperforms its current best of class full frame sensors in terms of sensitivity and dynamic range. If the Zeiss lens is at least nearly comparable with Leica 35mm Sumicron glass it could give Leica a serious run for its money for those comfortable with 35mm only: $2,800, autofocus, optical and electronic VF's, very, very compact, exquisitely constructed if Steve Huff is to be believed (the RX100 is a jewel of a camera). But shouldn't I be comparing the RX1 with the Leica X1? Not if the RX1 exceeds the M in image quality, which could be the case, overall, between the optics (I'd guess close) and sensitivity and dynamic range (both potentially hugely better). It will be interesting. We shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertW Posted September 17, 2012 Share #136 Posted September 17, 2012 The only good point is that the price hasn't gone thru the roof. Without an anti-shake sensor we're still not quite there. Can you imagine what your videos and low light stills are going to look like? The videos are going to look like crap, but I guess that doesn't matter cos I don't take videos, but for those that do.... Is it impossible to have an anti-shake technology for still photos? I guess we'll need to wait another 2 years for the new improved M? I guess the LED framelines are not in the works. I guess that leap in technology may have to wait for another couple of years, along with a facelift on an ageing body style. Does an M always have to look the same? Mercedes and BMW don't continue to churn out cars that look exactly the same (or nearly exactly the same) continuously. Was there any discussion of the low light-high ISO performance? Hopefully, its a leap forward... I'm a big Leica fan, but I really don't understand the mass excitement over this one, yes its better, but if you're going to move, please make a "complete" move rather than half a move... What we need is a full frame NEX-7 or full frame Ricoh GXR which have nice compact bodies to slap on the M glass and it'll be bye-bye Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 17, 2012 Share #137 Posted September 17, 2012 Without auto aperture I don't get how the Mnothing is a better R solution than a FF Canon dSLR... other than it's a Leica and thus perhaps more palatable to the purists. I also can say from experience with M8 and M8.2 that using two bodies with differently calibrated frame lines is a PITA...thus using an Mnothing alongside an M9 will be likewise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted September 17, 2012 Share #138 Posted September 17, 2012 Can you imagine what your videos and low light stills are going to look like? The videos are going to look like crap, but I guess that doesn't matter cos I don't take videos, but for those that do..... There is an invention called the tripod for this problem… It’s older than still or cinema photography. Also there are small camcorder versions of the Steadycam for those who want to make videos with more freedom of movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted September 17, 2012 Share #139 Posted September 17, 2012 Every DSLR I've bought in last few years has a "self-cleaning" sensor. I haven't seen anything about that feature on the M. It (along with M9, etc) sure could use it. I'd hoped it would show up on the new M. Nikon and Canon ones work great. Leica Mayfair PDF of spec says "Sensor cleaning Dust detection, manual cleaning function". What does this mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted September 18, 2012 Share #140 Posted September 18, 2012 While the new Leica M looks like it will be great, it’s clear the Leica designers were not really anticipating the new 36MP sensors of the D800/D800E/A99. Though resolution isn’t everything in a camera system, of the Leica M sensor can’t resolve more than 81% of the D800, and it’s a modest 14% increase in resolution over the M9. That’s not enough of an increase in resolution for me to justify upgrading my M9P to an M to compliment my D800E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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