Dan Ryan Posted July 10, 2012 Share #1 Posted July 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a 1948 Summitar. Would its performance be enhanced by one of those barn door hoods - the SOOPD or SOOFM? It is an awkward looking contraption, but I wonder why the Leica guys designed and manufactured such a thing if they did not have reason to think that it would be useful. Why go to that trouble? At the moment I am using the knockoff Summitar adapter ring and vented hood from Heavystar. many thanks for sharing any experiences or information you may have Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted July 10, 2012 Share #2 Posted July 10, 2012 I have a 1948 Summitar. Would its performance be enhanced by one of those barn door hoods - the SOOPD or SOOFM?many thanks for sharing any experiences or information you may have Yes it will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 10, 2012 Share #3 Posted July 10, 2012 I have a 1948 Summitar. Would its performance be enhanced by one of those barn door hoods - the SOOPD or SOOFM? It is an awkward looking contraption, but I wonder why the Leica guys designed and manufactured such a thing if they did not have reason to think that it would be useful. Why go to that trouble? Because the design worked; no filter issues, and it folded flat so that you can put it in a pocket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted July 10, 2012 Share #4 Posted July 10, 2012 Because the design worked; no filter issues, and it folded flat so that you can put it in a pocket. It would have to be a rather large pocket and a very strong piece of clothing, to accept a Leica body with a Summitar and the folded hood …… Actually, original Summitar filters had no front thread and fit almost flush with the lens front rim. The folding hood was, at the time an excellent solution - considering that it shielded the lens just about perfectly and that the pre-war Summitar’s had no factory coating. One really needed perfect shielding from stray rays. Dan is using the aftermarket adapter for 39mm filters with the vented aftermarket hood, that is an excellent solution as well, given the rather compact size of that outfit. Heavystar's items are of excellent quality, I believe he is a Leica user himself. Cheers, Jan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 10, 2012 Share #5 Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) It would have to be a rather large pocket and a very strong piece of clothing, to accept a Leica body with a Summitar and the folded hood …… Aw, ya big silly. I meant the hood carried separately. Regarding big, strong pockets, consider the period in which the hood was made. Clothes were more robust then. I know there are people who remember the coinage of the period, like British penny's as big as a poker chip, but lots heaver, and thrrupence which looked like some kind of circular saw blade. Sewing repairs on pockets were almost routine... or you did not carry pennies. Actually, original Summitar filters had no front thread Didn't know that. Mine has threads. And it is coated. Just post-WWII. Round aperture. Dan is using the aftermarket adapter for 39mm filters [...] Then his lens has filter threads, n'est pas? Leaving for the day... take care. Edited July 10, 2012 by pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted July 10, 2012 Share #6 Posted July 10, 2012 "Actually, original Summitar filters had no front thread" Didn't know that. Mine has threads. And it is coated. Just post-WWII. Round aperture. Then his lens has filter threads, n'est pas? Leaving for the day... take care. Pico, please read my post again - I did not say that Summitar lenses did not have threads - rather that filters for the Summitar were not threaded. Summitar filters of course are threaded on the lens side - otherwise one would not be able to screw them onto a lens..... What I meant was that they do not have a female thread at the front thus, screw-in accessories could not be used, only the clip-on variety like the Summitar hood. The adapter that Dan has is the same as the one made by Leitz many years ago (SNHOO) - it has a male thread to fit into a Summitar and a female thread to accept standard 39mm accessories. As to your post-WWII filter being coated - Leitz filters did not have antireflection coatings.... I guess that you are again referring to your coated Summitar lens and not the filter... Cheers, Jan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Ryan Posted July 11, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted July 11, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Many thanks to all who responded with the above information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 11, 2012 Share #8 Posted July 11, 2012 Jan, thanks for clarifying. I was rushing out the door and should not have posted in haste. Best, Pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 11, 2012 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2012 Its the Summitar-to-39mm adapter that you need from Ebay trader Heavystar, and as Jan has said you can then put whatever filter or hood you like on it. Forget the barn doors or specific Summitar filters. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 12, 2012 Share #10 Posted July 12, 2012 I too have been looking for a threaded Summitar to e39 adapter as well. The original Leica ones, whose code I now forget (I can never remember if it is SNHOO or SOOQR) are VERY expensive. Don Goldberg was supposed to be making me one but I gave up chasing him. There were some on eBay (maybe not by Heavystar, whose stuff I have bought and it was OK), on which the tapered thread was too long and crunched into the front element - ouch! Has anyone tried one of the Heavystar ones? The upside is that it means you can use a normal e39 hood instead of the barn door one. My father used to have a very neat little hood for his 50mm Summar, which I think is the same at the front as the Summitar, that slipped over the outside of the lens and had a small knurled knob at the side, which tightened a pinch pad onto the outer lens ring. My Summitar is a very late one, 1953 with the hex diaphragm. As you can see it has a groove on the front ring. I think this enables another Leica hood to fit (?the 35mm Summarit one), which clips into this groove. Anyone know? Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183412-summitar-hood/?do=findComment&comment=2061002'>More sharing options...
doubice Posted July 12, 2012 Share #11 Posted July 12, 2012 Wilson, Your 'grooved' late Summitar will accept the E-39 clip-on shades like the 12585 or IROOA - the lens' outside diameter is the same as the 50mm Summicron (A-42). As far as fitting E-39 filters to a Summitar is concerned, the only solution is the SNHOO or its Heavystar eBay equivalent. Cheers, Jan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 12, 2012 Share #12 Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) I have the same Summitar (but with round aperture). Here it is with Heavystar's adapter to 39mm. I like his compact lens shade, too. Edited July 12, 2012 by pico 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 12, 2012 Share #13 Posted July 12, 2012 Heavystar's shade Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 12, 2012 Share #14 Posted July 12, 2012 By the time the Heavystar adapter is mounted you hardly need a lens hood anyway if you paint the inside matt black (a good idea whatever). I then use an Elmar M lens hood on it. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 12, 2012 Share #15 Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) By the time the Heavystar adapter is mounted you hardly need a lens hood anyway if you paint the inside matt black (a good idea whatever). I then use an Elmar M lens hood on it. Steve The idea was, I thought, to allow 39mm filters, so one should use a lens hood. And why pay Leica prices for a hood when adequate hoods can be had new for $7 USD? (not Heavystar's as pictured) Edited July 12, 2012 by pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 12, 2012 Share #16 Posted July 12, 2012 The idea was, I thought, to allow 39mm filters, so one should use a lens hood. And why pay Leica prices for a hood when adequate hoods can be had new for $7 USD? (not Heavystar's as pictured) Yes , I just said what hood I used. I know the Elmar hood being small and discreet wouldn't satisfy some peoples need for peacock like display, but you nor anybody else has to copy me. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 13, 2012 Share #17 Posted July 13, 2012 Yes , I just said what hood I used. I know the Elmar hood being small and discreet wouldn't satisfy some peoples need for peacock like display, but you nor anybody else has to copy me. Steve Steve, I just wondered if the small Elmar hood might vignette a bit at full aperture, especially as you are mounting it a bit further forward on the adapter. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 13, 2012 Share #18 Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Wide open about half a stop in the very corners with the Elmar hood Wilson. I use that hood on sunny days because I like the compactness of the lens without a hood if possible, and on sunny days with the lens stopped down you wouldn't see any vignetting. The depth of the adapter really does make it like a mini lens hood, which is why I suggest making the most of it and painting over the reflective silver baffles/grooves on the inside with matt black paint. Thinking about it, didn't the SNHOO adapter have a black inner finish? You do get significant vignetting if you use the adapter with an m39 filter and a screw on hood (any hood). So whichever solution is chosen it isn't perfect all the time. Steve Edited July 13, 2012 by 250swb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
machmaphoto Posted July 13, 2012 Share #19 Posted July 13, 2012 But - if you want to try out a more "artistic" vintage look, take your summitar on a sunny day without any hood and some of your black and white photos will look like those in an early album of your grand-parents. This perhaps will be an ultimative kick of making photos with an old summitar - unpredictable results if you dont take a digital back with controlling-possibilities. Sometimes I want to have some charming summitar-flare in my photos with my uncoated summitar of 1939 - and leave the barn-door and any other hood at home... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 13, 2012 Share #20 Posted July 13, 2012 But - if you want to try out a more "artistic" vintage look, take your summitar on a sunny day without any hood and some of your black and white photos will look like those in an early album of your grand-parents. Ah, you clearly are unaware of Pico's Plugins which include auto-flare, back light simulation, bad-bokeh, random stains, camera shake. Digital wins again. It is all part of a package called "Photographer in a Box" - the complete works to film-like superiority. . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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