a.noctilux Posted April 15, 2022 Share #621 Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) @jakontil As side note, M cameras are very tough. So if the M4 works fine, no need to send for CLA. The myth of every Leica M being CLA/repaired before first use needs to be changed. The actual real life user as me can say that M4 (or other M) can be used without being CLAed first. Edited April 15, 2022 by a.noctilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted April 15, 2022 Share #622 Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Pyrogallol said: If the price is ok then get it and use it. You may find that the shutter is a bit sticky but that may be from lack of use. I inherited an M2 which had not been used for years. At first the slow speeds were sticky but after some exercising they are ok now. I don’t know what difference the climate in your country would have on a camera that has not been used for a long time, compared to European countries. ”if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. I live in indonesia, the weather is humid but, a tropical country, bali? If it rings any bells yeah i got m2-r recently, man that camera is the smoothest compared to my MP and M6, hence i was intrigued with the idea of getting either m3 or m4, but yeah extra careful here since not easy to do proper CLA 1 hour ago, a.noctilux said: @jakontil As side note, M cameras are very tough. So if the M4 works fine, no need to send for CLA. The myth of every Leica M being CLA/repaired before first use needs to be changed. The actual real life user as me can say that M4 (or other M) can be used without being CLAed first. I agree, since getting a proper CLA was never be easily accessible, i dont usually force to do it anyway unless there’s a minor adjustment even my brand new out of the box mp was once out of alignment vertically but it was easier to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
agiknee Posted April 17, 2022 Share #623 Posted April 17, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 3:05 AM, enrico58 said: Hello, Here it is My M4 customised (about 10 years ago, I started from a wreck 😉) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I also had my self timer removed on my m4. Mines definitely a used now but our cameras are twins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urskog Posted May 14, 2022 Share #624 Posted May 14, 2022 Is it risky to remove the self timer yourself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 14, 2022 Share #625 Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Urskog said: Is it risky to remove the self timer yourself? Welcome here, No risk if you want to remove the lever, just take time to have the right tool AND turn in the right/or left direction. Removing the mechanism itself (not easy to do) can only be done by "approved" technician. 😉 Best is buying M4-P or M4-2 then ... Leitz had done this for you from start with benefit of motor winder coupling, hot shoe, etc. 🙃. Edited May 14, 2022 by a.noctilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urskog Posted May 14, 2022 Share #626 Posted May 14, 2022 2 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Welcome here, No risk if you want to remove the lever, just take time to have the right tool AND turn in the right/or left direction. Removing the mechanism itself (not easy to do) can only be done by "approved" technician. 😉 Best is buying M4-P or M4-2 then ... Leitz had done this for you from start with benefit of motor winder coupling, hot shoe, etc. 🙃. Thank you for the welcome, what tool is needed to remove the self time lever? Is it the same tool you use to loosen the advance lever? And in that case, do I have to cover it with something? 🙈 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 14, 2022 Share #627 Posted May 14, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) M4 lever is smart having two holes. To fit the tiny holes, you need adjustable spanner with two pins fitting perfectly. Be aware of the direction to unscrew the self timer lever, I don't know for sure if it could be turning right or left to unscrew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urskog Posted May 14, 2022 Share #628 Posted May 14, 2022 It sounds like something I shouldnt do myself 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 15, 2022 Share #629 Posted May 15, 2022 12 hours ago, Urskog said: It sounds like something I shouldnt do myself 😂 Why not ? 😉 I think so that you can trust good technician doing the job right. Maybe she/he can do more than that like checking/adjusting the shutter, RF and so on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted Posted May 17, 2022 Share #630 Posted May 17, 2022 If you remove it just be aware you will be compromising the excellent weather sealing of the M4! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted May 17, 2022 Share #631 Posted May 17, 2022 I actually use my self timer. It’s easier than digging in the bag for the cable release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urskog Posted May 30, 2022 Share #632 Posted May 30, 2022 Thanks guys, Im leaving the self timer on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 31, 2022 Share #633 Posted May 31, 2022 12 hours ago, Urskog said: Thanks guys, Im leaving the self timer on. 👍 best decision ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69xchange Posted March 11, 2023 Share #634 Posted March 11, 2023 in the market for a m4.. came across this on eBay. what do you guys think about the price? I've inquired about the repaint job but they were not able to provide proof that it was done by an "authorized leica dealer" in tokyo.https://www.ebay.ca/itm/175619406992?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vanoqbustfm&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=C-4tk8SZSGa&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmrider2 Posted March 11, 2023 Share #635 Posted March 11, 2023 It looks like a nice repaint. If the camera works as advertised, I would buy it as original black paint M4's are north of $10,000. I have a mint 50th anniversary M4 in black chrome and it is over $1000-1500 more than a chrome model. I think my next film Leica will be a chrome M2. By the way, Classic Connection has several M4's in stock at the moment. Am not connected to the dealer other than being very impressed with his service and knowledge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 11, 2023 Share #636 Posted March 11, 2023 An original Leica black paint camera seems to wear gently. Where the paint has come off this one, it looks like it has peeled or flaked. As a superficial sort of guy, that would niggle at me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted March 22, 2023 Share #637 Posted March 22, 2023 I just took my M4 with 35mm Lux on a business strip to Europe, loaded with HP5, had a few days in Norway and the rest in Germany. Not much opportunity to use it but I find I learn a lot more about my tastes and preferences when I travel with a camera vs just having one available at home. I enjoyed it a lot, not having to think at all about batteries or charging, not worrying about temperatures too much either. It's a sturdy workhorse so I didn't have to baby it or worry about where I was plonking it down lest I shave some value off a newly purchased camera. I still rely on my iphone as a lightmeter but it's not like it is needed for every shot. I didn't take a belt holster so it was around my neck and I did notice that this took some getting used to because it's not a lightweight camera. Nevertheless, I was happy to have it to hand and with the lenshood didn't feel the need to fit a lenscap either. The main limitation was when indoors, where lighting is low and you end up wanting to use the lens wide open and that's where my confidence that the camera + operator combination will be able to nail focus for people shots. Otherwise, it was a pleasure to take my M4 for an outing and it could become my favourite over my M3 because I find the 35mm angle of view more flexible for travel. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmrider2 Posted March 22, 2023 Share #638 Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) I started photography in high school in 1966 and purchased my first Nikon F in 1970 as a freshman in college. I paid my way through college and worked a year or so as a newspaper photographer using that Nikon. I purchased my first Leica in 1975 as a graduation present just before heading to OCS in the Marines and then to Pensacola for flight training and a change of careers. Professional photographers used their cameras pretty hard back then. Take a look at photos of DDD or Larry Burrows or any other LIFE photographer covering Vietnam and note the wear of the black paint and how the cameras banged around hanging from their necks or shoulders. NEVER would any photographer then have predicted that "patina" would eventually increase the value of a black paint camera. I remember thinking the brass showing through the black paint due to handling just showed how easy it was to wear away a poor finish. How times and tastes change! I have a mint black chrome 50th anniversary M4 and see it is worth about $1000-1500 more than a chrome finished camera. I wished I had bought a couple black paint models about three-five years ago when they were going for $3000. Now I am seeing prices north of $10000. Since I am 70 years old, all I will say is I have finally realized how fickle humans and their tastes are. In my opinion, you can't go wrong with any film M but my favorite models are the M4 and M2. Edited March 22, 2023 by ktmrider2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted March 22, 2023 Share #639 Posted March 22, 2023 I'm quite happy to see the black paint models attract premium pricing - and the silver models be slightly more affordable because I find the silver models to be far more attractive, more iconic and more robust. We all have our preferences. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted March 22, 2023 Share #640 Posted March 22, 2023 On 4/15/2022 at 3:39 AM, a.noctilux said: @jakontil As side note, M cameras are very tough. So if the M4 works fine, no need to send for CLA. The myth of every Leica M being CLA/repaired before first use needs to be changed. The actual real life user as me can say that M4 (or other M) can be used without being CLAed first. Would you also drive a car without putting oil in the engine? Leica cameras are tough and reliable but just like every mechanical device they need proper maintenance. If you don't maintain them they will not be reliable and wear out. A mechanical M with dried out lubricants will put more wear and tear on the parts. That's a basic rule for any mechanical device. Not to mention that your shutter speeds will also be off etc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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