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Well, that certainly narrows it down to the 6CM.  Will got us here, so if that's correct he should win.

It looks like a dead heat Steve, as we both posted at exactly the same time. I am happy to post something new later in the afternoon (Irish time).

 

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6CM indeed. Both the cars (1936 and 1938) owned by this driver, at the time I took the photo at the Monaco Historic GP, were originally owned by Count Felice (Didi) Trossi. He was the heir to a very wealthy and old established banking family and started racing at a young age. He was one of the original supporters of Enzo Ferrari and a shareholder of the Scuderia Ferrari from 1932. He built maybe the weirdest GP car ever built in 1935, with a twin bank radial 16 cylinder piston compressed 2 stroke engine, where 8 of the pistons are compressors and 8 power, like the very successful DKW 2 stroke racing motorcycles. Needless to say it was a total failure and never actually got beyond trying to qualify for a race. He was quite successful with the 6CMs and after the war, won 2 GP's in a 158 and 159 Alfa Romeo. Sadly he died at just 41, from a brain tumour. 

 

They are delightful cars to drive and if you ever wanted to teach someone 4 wheel drifting, that would be the ideal choice. In 1936 the 1500cc DOHC straight six was putting out 155 HP. Subsequent development has raised this to 255 HP by 2008, running on pure methanol. On a fast circuit they are slightly quicker than an ERA but at Monaco, the pre-selector gearbox of the ERA and the additional torque of the 2 litre engines, makes beating one a bit of a challenge. This car has had a number of 2nds and a 3rd at Monaco (always to an ERA) but won the European Historic GP Pre-War Championship in I think 2006. They are relatively reliable other than the same problem which bugged racing Maseratis all the way from the late 1920's, into the 1960's - a weak gearbox casing, which tends to crack, especially in more recent years with the loads from stickier tarmac, grippier tyres and more engine power. We used to race a 1957 Maserati 250S, whose gearbox was more weld than it was original casting. 

 

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 A very nice car that got 'Best in Show' when I saw it:

 

 

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Pity the 6CM is on cut-down wheels.

 

Hektor,

 

Unfortunately if you want to be competitive, you have to have 18" wheels to use the better Dunlop R1 or 16" for R4/R5 tyres as opposed to Dunlop, Blockley or Excelsior 5 stud for 19" . The original may well have used 18" at the front but 19" or even 21" at the rear, with the 8 cylinder version, the 8CTF (effectively two 4CTF blocks on a common crankcase to give 3L), still often using 21" wheels. However, Dunlop have recently stopped making 21" Vintage race tyres and the Blockley's are just not as grippy or stable. I am using Excelsior Competition H 4.00 x 19" tyres on the front of my three wheeler Morgan. They are made for Bugatti 35 and 37 cars and are a huge improvement on the Avon motorcycle sidecar tyres that Morgan fit (because they are cheap). 

 

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Good morning Wilson,

I supposed it is similar to the debate whether to restore or leave as found (barn find).

To use a Leica analogy, I use films as close as possible in character and speed to the camera in use.

For example Maco PO100c in a Leica II with Hektor f = 5 cm 1:2.5 in the attached photograph.

Boring record shot, but taken as I have a similar car (two in fact).

I enjoy reliving the experiences of the time so do not fit modern radial-ply sticky tyres to my pre-war cars.

Even Norman Dewis made the point that the E Type was designed around cross ply tyres, and in his opinion it handled better so shod.

As you would have experienced, the younger generation rarely enjoys the delight of a four wheeled drift you mentioned earlier.

I appreciate you using 18" wheels while your competitors do likewise, however if I had any say in motor sport I would insist on original wheel sizes.

If nothing else it would increase business for body repairers !

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Justin

 

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Justin, 

 

The main issue is that Dunlop since it was bought by the Sumitomo Rubber Company, has steadily been cutting back on the range of Vintage Race Tyres it does. Only 10 years ago, you could still buy the 7.00 x 23" R1 tyres that the W125 Mercedes, V12 GP Alfa Romeos and Type B Auto Unions used. Now 19" is the biggest they do and only in a 5 stud pattern (not suitable for any car which has any wheelspin or traction issues). I have had the same problem with my 1977 Porsche 911 RSR, where around 9 to 10 years ago, every manufacturer stopped making the 265/45 x 15" road tyres it and the Lancia Stratos use on the back, so I had to use Michelin TB15/5 or Pirelli Corsa Classico street legal race tyres, which arrive with just over 4mm of tread and wear out in 1000 miles. Luckily Michelin have been incredibly helpful and have just strengthened the carcass on the 255/45 x 15 MXW tyres they were making for the Alpine Turbo A610 from a 93 load rating to a 102, so that now they can be used it on the back of period RSR and Stratos rally cars. 

 

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The exhaust from the W 06 Mercedes-Benz cars emerged from the right-hand side of the bonnet.

 

Attached is a shot I took when driving one:

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I agree Wilson.  Correct profile tyres are becoming harder and harder to source.  My submission is for a group of owners to band together and approach a tyre manufacturer to produce a batch of tyres of a quantity to allow the maker to break-even as a promotional exercise or even make a profit.  I like the cars you have or have had.

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No. It is not German. It has initials, a number and a name, but the name is not in the language of the country from which it comes. 

 

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Any takers? I will help. The name of the car is the manufacturer's name, initials, the number 45 and then the 'foreign' word. I hope that helps.

 

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Near enough. It is a Lagonda LG 45 Rapide. The green extra 'hood' was necessitated by the Irish Mid Summer weather.

 

 

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I suspect that may be a Herb Schofield body on that. It looks near identical to the body on the M45 I had some 30 years ago. 

 

Here is your next one. 

 

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