wlaidlaw Posted January 19, 2022 Share #16881 Posted January 19, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) PV544 cars were fetching silly prices. I was told many years ago that the PV444 was based on or at least inspired by a 1938 Hanomag. It was announced in 1944 but did not reach volume production until 1947, by which time it had a huge waiting list in Sweden. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pippy Posted January 19, 2022 Share #16882 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) I'm not sure I can take much credit for anything here! A good friend 25+ years ago - back when I had my '59 RagTop Beetle - had a 1956 / '57 PV444 which I got to know quite well and it had twin chrome strips hence my earlier guess. If, as Wilson informs us, the mystery car is later then it's probably a PV544 but I'm not sure I can offer much more concrete info as, to the best of my knowledge (very little!), any changes were either purely internal or took place within the engine bay (!) so, pulling a name and designation out of a hat completely at random, my guess is.... 1963 Volvo PV544 Sport with either a B81A or B81D engine. Upholstery is Black..... Philip. Edited January 19, 2022 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 19, 2022 Share #16883 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Spot on Philip. Here is one pictured, somewhere in north eastern Myanmar, in happier times before the military coup. We were the first foreign registered cars to travel various of the roads since 1947, when much of the country (e.g. Shan State) was shut to visitors. I was in Myanmar twice in 2016 and there was a sense of joy all over the country, having finally after 70 years, got out from under the jackboots of the military. On the classic car rally, We had at receptions with a number of government ministers and actually were given an official welcome in the huge parliament complex in Naypyidaw. The atmosphere amongst the senior politicians at that point was they remained very wary of the military and as events proved, sadly they were correct. On a motoring note, this was one very hot Volvo and we could only just keep up with it in our ex-works Safari rally "Pagoda" 280SL Mercedes. We suspect it might have a 2 litre or even larger engine. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 19, 2022 by wlaidlaw 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4361604'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 19, 2022 Share #16884 Posted January 19, 2022 Wilson, just out of curiosity: What makes your cropped photo specific PV544? As far I know (not much) the fenders, double chrome trim (and it’s design) and petrol cap were the same to the PV 444L or am I wrong here? What makes it this the exact model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 19, 2022 Share #16885 Posted January 19, 2022 vor 4 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: I was told many years ago that the PV444 was based on or at least inspired by a 1938 Hanomag. Yes, that was probably the Hanomag 1.3ltr. „Autobahn“ (nickname was „Stahlhelm“ due to the bodies fin which reminds of the Wehrmachts helmet). The Hanomag was the poor mans Adler 2.5ltr. „Autobahn“. I recall having seen one in the 1970s in a shed near the Hanomag factory. It went to scrap for sure. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 19, 2022 Share #16886 Posted January 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, Rona!d said: Wilson, just out of curiosity: What makes your cropped photo specific PV544? As far I know (not much) the fenders, double chrome trim (and it’s design) and petrol cap were the same to the PV 444L or am I wrong here? What makes it this the exact model? Ronald, I think I was given some incorrect information by the Swiss driver of this car. He said you could tell it was a sport by the two chrome strips but looking at some photos of PV444 cars, they also had the double chrome strip. He was showing me some photos of this car on European rallies and it had Minilite wheels. He said he had fitted steel wheels for the Myanmar rally, as he did not think the Minilites would survive the Myanmar roads and pot holes. I told him that I did not think he need have been worried, as there are few wheels stronger than Minilites. I run 8" and 10" wide x 15" diameter MInilites on my 1977 911 RSR Group B rally car, rather than Fuchs, after I had a Fuchs rim fail on a previous 911S 2.6L Kremer, when rallying. Admittedly we currently use Mercedes Sprinter van steel wheels and Avon 8 ply rating light truck tyres on our rough road rally 280SL but may well change to the much lighter Minilites in the future to try and improve the ride, which is very hard on my back. Wils 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16887 Posted January 20, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Wilson. In your cropped photo with the dual chrome trim, the earliest serial conform PV could have been the 444 L (1957/58) (or later like PV 544). Should have expect you shot the PV on a tough rallye, in that case a 544 is more likely for technical reasons (engine, gearbox, break options - when it had to be a bit original). If your car had NO chrome trim it would have been hard to say which model because there were many early ones and even later bugdet PVs without double or single chrome trim (some even without heating although offered in Scandinavia, go figure!) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16888 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) can I post a car now? what's this: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 20, 2022 by jaques Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4361996'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16889 Posted January 20, 2022 Jaques, The idea of this thread is that the person who correctly identifies the last mystery car, gets to post the next vehicle, in this case, that would be Philip (Pippy). Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16890 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) Thank you, Wilson, for the recollection of your visit to Myanmar; it must have been a wonderful experience to be there at such an historic time. What has happened in the last few years has all been rather tragic. Incidentally I was also interested to read that Minilites are more robust than are Fuchs. I've seen a few competition 911's over the last 20-odd years whose owners have opted for Minilites over Fuchs (sometimes only at the rear) and I could never quite understand why; your comments seem to have answered that question! OK; on to the next one. A sporty example of a fairly recognisable wee thing so Make, Model, Approximate Year, Carrozzeria and Designer, please, and anything else which you feel might be of some interest. As there were two models which shared, essentially, the same bodywork I will give you all the hint that this one came with the larger displacement engine... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Good luck everyone! Philip. Edited January 20, 2022 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Good luck everyone! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4362107'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16891 Posted January 20, 2022 vor 2 Stunden schrieb pippy: ... so Make, Model, Approximate Year, Carrozzeria and Designer, please, ... That was propably a second hint, so we can exclude US-cars for example 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16892 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rona!d said: That was propably a second hint, so we can exclude US-cars for example 😉 Ah; I probably used the word, automatically, purely as a generic term, Ronald, as I don't know the Finnish equivalent... If I said 'Body-Builder' I'd have been inundated with queries asking; "Is it a Charles Atlas model-type "Arnie Schwarzenegger" with the V16 engine?..." Philip. Edited January 20, 2022 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16893 Posted January 20, 2022 Whatever it is it looks like it will be interesting. This one suggests to me 1960s Italian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16894 Posted January 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, stuny said: Wahtever it is it looks like it will be interesting. This one suggests to me 1960s Italian I see my little 'Lapland-esque' jaunt didn't pull much wool over your eyes, Stuart! Correct on both counts. Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16895 Posted January 20, 2022 How about at 1965 Alfa Giulia Sprint Speciale, by Bertone, designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16896 Posted January 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, stuny said: How about at 1965 Alfa Giulia Sprint Speciale, by Bertone, designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro? Congratulations Stuart! It is, as you say, an Alfa Romeo 'Giulia Sprint Speciale' with bodywork by Bertone. This one is actually a '64 (or so I was told) but, of course, the '64 and '65 are visually identical so no nit-picking from here! The designer, however, was actually Scaglione. According to the Wiki entry for the Giulietta SS / Giulia SS (I had to double-check!) Giugiaro did design a prototype proposal for the Giulia in 1965 but the production model - introduced in 1963 - retained the original shape from the Giulietta. Very pretty little thing it is too. Overall shot and a couple of details; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Over to you for the next challenge! Philip. 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Over to you for the next challenge! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4362287'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16897 Posted January 20, 2022 vor 9 Stunden schrieb jaques: can I post a car now? what's this: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This "side riddle" looks like a Chrysler Valiant Regal, maybe VE series. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16898 Posted January 20, 2022 Lovely! It not for the racing mirror I would have thought it was a regular Sprint coupe, which I also find most appealing. Let's see if i can find the next mystery car. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16899 Posted January 20, 2022 Let's try this one, not often driven on the street: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4362348'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 20, 2022 Share #16900 Posted January 20, 2022 The Dunlop wheels must mean it is British. The only two 6 cylinder single seat cars I can think of with the exhaust on that side would be the Emeryson Jaguar from around 1952 or the HWM Jaguar from the same period. the Emeryson was built round an Aston Martin/Lagonda (W.O.Bentley) 2.5L engine, then changed to a bored and stroked Alta (Geoffrey Taylor) 4 cylinder and finally to a 2.4 Jaguar XK engine. The last seems a very odd choice, as it would be very heavy for the max power extractable (in period around 160 BHP). The Emeryson is vanishingly rare so I suspect this must be an HWM (Hersham and Walton Motors). Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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