Name this car....

[a.j.z]

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vor 12 Minuten schrieb pippy:

My personal choice of any road car ever created given 'carte blanche' will always be a Dino 206. Nothing else comes close.

Philip.

You mean the 206 GT (or the 206S)? Nice choice.

[wlaidlaw]

But only a fuel injected Dino, otherwise I could not live with the poor carburation. As standard they use 40DCNF Webers which were designed to work with the two chokes in the other orientation (east-west rather than north-south as in the transverse engine of the Dino), so they get fuel starvation on LH bends. Some seem to be worse than others. There are two 100% cures, 1) Use IDA Webers, designed to work north-south, as on the Stratos version of the engine, with a Stratos intake manifold but then you cannot use the standard engine cover and have to use a rather ugly alternative. 2) Get Mototechnique in South London to convert the engine to Bosch fuel injection, which not only cures the misfiring but ups the power from an Italian 190 BHP to a genuine 225 BHP and makes the car far nicer to drive in traffic. 

Wilson

Edited March 22, 2021 by wlaidlaw

[Graham (G4FUJ)]

9 hours ago, John Z. Goriup said:

............and a side view of this abomination.

JZG

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Oh dear!

Is there a "sick" smiley?!  That is awful.

In the early '80s I owned a '76 528 (pre i) which I really enjoyed for a couple of years.  Think it was top of the range BeeEm when built - the 6 and 7 series were yet to appear.  Always fancied a 6 coupe, but that never happened.  Traded the 528 with a friend for a first gen RX-7.  Not sure that was the right thing to do!

Don't like modern BMWs.  One week's hire of a 116? when my C30 was in for body repairs (young lad ran into me) put me off BMW.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Graham (G4FUJ)
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[hektor]

41 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

But only a fuel injected Dino, otherwise I could not live with the poor carburation. As standard they use 40DCNF Webers which were designed to work with the two chokes in the other orientation (east-west rather than north-south as in the transverse engine of the Dino), so they get fuel starvation on LH bends. Some seem to be worse than others. There are two 100% cures, 1) Use IDA Webers, designed to work north-south, as on the Stratos version of the engine, with a Stratos intake manifold but then you cannot use the standard engine cover and have to use a rather ugly alternative. 2) Get Mototechnique in South London to convert the engine to Bosch fuel injection, which not only cures the misfiring but ups the power from an Italian 190 BHP to a genuine 225 BHP and makes the car far nicer to drive in traffic. 

Wilson

Wilson, I had a 246 which never experienced starvation problems, and I did get it sideways a number of times.  Was it exclusive to the 206?

[pippy]

2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

But only a fuel injected Dino, otherwise I could not live with the poor carburation.......Get Mototechnique in South London to convert the engine to Bosch fuel injection, which not only cures the misfiring but ups the power from an Italian 190 BHP to a genuine 225 BHP and makes the car far nicer to drive in traffic...

Thanks for the tip, Wilson, but as the ones I've seen for sale currently are priced somewhere north of the 1/2 million mark I suspect that, for me, any carburretion problems inherent with the transverse layout are more than likely to remain merely an academic sidenote...

Philip.

Edited March 22, 2021 by pippy

[wlaidlaw]

2 hours ago, hektor said:

Wilson, I had a 246 which never experienced starvation problems, and I did get it sideways a number of times.  Was it exclusive to the 206?

Every 246 Dino I have driven over the last 50 years has had the problem to a greater or lesser degree. Some people raise the fuel level or put baffles in the float chamber, which alleviates this problem a bit but the plugs then tend to soot up in heavy traffic and the idling is poor. The 206 GT has the same problem but the 206S does not, as its engine is mounted longitudinally. Both my brother's 246 GT Spider and my 246 GT were bad examples of this. Mine would actually cut out on a long left hand bend.  I changed from the 40 DCNF Webers to the larger 42 IDF Webers on a Stratos manifold with a modified Stratos engine cover (not pretty) plus Stratos cams and it hated heavy traffic, whereas my brother had his converted to fuel injection, which is impeccably behaved. I got so fed up with my Dino after the modification, with its coughing, spluttering and stalling in traffic, when I was living in London, that after six months, I sold it to a friend in Scotland and switched to a fuel injected Kremer 911S, my first of a number of subsequent Porsches. 

Wilson

PS I paid £3800 for my Dino in 1976 . 

Edited March 22, 2021 by wlaidlaw

[John Z. Goriup]

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18 hours ago, a.j.z said:

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I believe this is not the kind of  clue that allows easy identification at first glance, rather, needs sneaking up on the correct guess by identifying and eliminating what it is not.

My first guess is Italian from the mid '60s.

JZG

[hektor]

2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

Wilson:

PS I paid £3800 for my Dino in 1976 . 

I paid AU$ 30,000.00 in 1980.

[a.j.z]

vor 42 Minuten schrieb hektor:

I paid AU$ 30,000.00 in 1980.

I hope that you still have it 😉

 

[a.j.z]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb John Z. Goriup:

I believe this is not the kind of  clue that allows easy identification at first glance, rather, needs sneaking up on the correct guess by identifying and eliminating what it is not.

My first guess is Italian from the mid '60s.

JZG

Not Italian, but the production of this car indeed started in the mid 60s (and lasted for quite some time, but this car is from the 60s). 

It (not this very car) has a quite interesting (and surprising) race history.

[pippy]

Is it, by any chance, from North America?

Philip.

[a.j.z]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb pippy:

Is it, by any chance, from North America?

Philip.

No, this side of the Atlantic.

[wlaidlaw]

It must be British with the Lucas PL 700 headlights. Could it be a TVR? 

Wilson

[a.j.z]

Yes, British, but no TVR. A little more exotic (at least the body).

[m410]

On 3/19/2021 at 5:40 AM, wlaidlaw said:

 

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Beautiful photograph of some important cars on a fun drive.  Frank Kurtis built some wonderful cars and your photo captures that.  Thanks for sharing.

Edited March 22, 2021 by m410

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vor 22 Stunden schrieb a.j.z:

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Looks like a Marcos 850 GT.

[a.j.z]

Yes, a Marcos Mini GT

„The Mini Marcos was the only British car to finish (in 15th place) in the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans: the drivers were Jean-Louis Marnat and Claude Ballot-Léna. The 1966 Le Mans car was used for several more races, then sold and finally stolen in Paris in October 1975. Many people searched for it, but it took until December 2016 to be found.“  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Marcos (not this car)

 

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Model A Flying Ford... and that's a quail

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Stephen.s1
oops, I'm out of phase.

[hektor]

6 hours ago, a.j.z said:

I hope that you still have it 😉

Good morning Andreas.  Long gone to be replaced by other cars.  The Dino was delightful but not particularly well made.  I am inclined to dispose of cars when large bills are imminent.  I had a hard job selling it, as in those days real men drove twelve cyclinder cars and thought the 246 was for hairdressers.

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Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[Rona!d]

Given your riddle car is in 100% original condition ... you should have mentioned this: „The Mini Marcos was the first car beeing delivered with external front (parking aid) cameras (later become famous under the name „GoPro“ and misused by idiots filming their suicidal driving actions at Nürburgring Nordschleife)“

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