John Z. Goriup Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14401 Posted January 20, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Rona!d said: You are getting closer, John. 1938 and Erdmann & Rossi is correct. Model not. I based my identification in large part on seeing the car shown in post # 14399 at the '16 Pebble Beach Concours, where it was displayed and unambiguously labeled as an 1938 853 Erdmann & Rossi Special Roadster. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4121991'>More sharing options...
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Rona!d Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14402 Posted January 20, 2021 Wilson, this is not an 830 model of which we have several on offer in walking distance from me (go figure!), also a nice 853 Spezial-Roadster. Agree what you said about the wheels and better driving than the big Mercedes (those were faster but in the 1930s you prefered the better driving car, not the faster one). edit: have to correct myself: In walking distance there are several 853 of different types, not several 830. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14403 Posted January 20, 2021 John, very nice car and pretty close. The engine used in mine is basically an 853 engine. Some further info for fixing it: 7 cars of my model were made, 6 still exist although I would say the vast majority of them are "recreations". If I was informed correctly my riddle car is one of two originals (but people can tell a lot). Of my model three different coachbuilders made them: Horch factory (although I have my doubts they really did), Gläser and Erdmann + Rossi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14404 Posted January 20, 2021 Is it one of the ultra rare V12 670 cars? It did not look massive enough for that. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14405 Posted January 20, 2021 vor 3 Minuten schrieb wlaidlaw: Is it one of the ultra rare V12 670 cars? It did not look massive enough for that. Wilson Correct, it is not, Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14406 Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) As far as I can see nobody has tried the 855 yet, which very much looks like this one. And it has 8 cyl. Edited January 20, 2021 by a.j.z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14407 Posted January 20, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 3 Stunden schrieb Rona!d: edit: have to correct myself: In walking distance there are several 853 of different types, not several 830. This appears to be here https://www.classic-trader.com/at/haendler/gassmannn-gmbh/1990?vehicleType=&make=78&model=&sorting[sorting]=price_asc&pagination[entriesPerPage]=20&pagination[pageSelect]=1 I count four 853! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14408 Posted January 20, 2021 vor 1 Stunde schrieb a.j.z: As far as I can see nobody has tried the 855 yet, which very much looks like this one. And it has 8 cyl. You tried and it is an 855 Spezial-Roadster. p.s. If you don‘t have a proper car, you can forward the win to John who was VERY close with 853 Erdmann + Rossi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14409 Posted January 20, 2021 vor einer Stunde schrieb a.j.z: This appears to be here https://www.classic-trader.com/at/haendler/gassmannn-gmbh/1990?vehicleType=&make=78&model=&sorting[sorting]=price_asc&pagination[entriesPerPage]=20&pagination[pageSelect]=1 I count four 853! 15 minutes walking, next town. Lack of play money and garage space forbids frequent „shopping tours“. Imagine how easy shopping would be, I walk there and come back with a classic car every month, no shuttle driver or trailer needed. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14410 Posted January 20, 2021 vor 53 Minuten schrieb Rona!d: p.s. If you don‘t have a proper car, you can forward the win to John who was VERY close with 853 Erdmann + Rossi. John definitely deserves to post the next riddle, as he did most of the work and I just put the cherry on the cake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 20, 2021 Share #14411 Posted January 20, 2021 John, please proceed, your turn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14412 Posted January 21, 2021 Thank you, Ronald & Andreas. I think this one should be a little easier to solve, especially if you're an American car aficionado, and because it was produced in somewhat larger quantities than the last two riddle cars. Make and model will suffice, since if you get those two categories correct..............you will have guessed when it was produced. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4122264'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14413 Posted January 21, 2021 Studebaker Avanti? Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14414 Posted January 21, 2021 16 hours ago, John Z. Goriup said: I based my identification in large part on seeing the car shown in post # 14399 at the '16 Pebble Beach Concours, where it was displayed and unambiguously labeled as an 1938 853 Erdmann & Rossi Special Roadster. JZG I imagine Johannees Beeskow was designing subject to instructions from the client. What a Prunkwagen. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Beeskow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14415 Posted January 21, 2021 vor 32 Minuten schrieb wlaidlaw: Studebaker Avanti? Wilson Agree, left beam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14416 Posted January 21, 2021 It also appears to be the original from Andy Granatelli (STP - "The Racer's Edge", and Indy car owner who kissed his driver [Mario Andretti] when Mario won the 500) of the end of '63 and in '64, rather than the Avanti II, created when a pair of Studebaker dealers bought the tooling and name and made then for a few more years. The original had a supercharged Studebaker V8. After Studebaker went out of business they changed to GM and then Ford engines. I can't recall whether they had blowers, too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14417 Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Studebaker Avanti? Wilson Well done, Wilson. Indeed it is an Avanti. Over to you. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4122452'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14418 Posted January 21, 2021 May I ask someone else to step in for me. I have been indoors shielding since getting back from France at the beginning of September and even the last time round, I was scraping the barrel to find an image. Wilson PS I always wondered if the Avanti's were prone to overheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14419 Posted January 21, 2021 I'll ask a friend who still has one of the first ones, and he's owned it since new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14420 Posted January 21, 2021 Wilson - I heard back from my Avanti owning friend whom I first met when we were both in the Strategic Air Command in North Dakota in the late '60s. "Fred" is the name of his '63 burgundy Avanti: Overheat? Not so much, but Fred tended to eat water pumps. Most remarkable was on 11/23/1963 on the outskirts of Dallas. I was coming to Dallas with SMU girlfriend from Waco after Baylor-SMU football game was cancelled due to JFK mess. Dallas was essentially shut down. I had to call the owner of the Studebaker dealership to get the car towed. The thing I remember most was the $13.50 cab fare from the site of Fred’s demise to SMU - a young fortune in ‘63. 3 water pumps later over a period of 4 years a solution was found: Use the Studebaker truck water pump. It has a larger bearing. BTW Had a near Maslovian peak experience. Whilst accompanying Karen to the Porsche haus for routine maintenance, I took an extended test drive in the Taycan Turbo S. The acceleration is incredible. Have not felt butt-in-seat g force since jet driving days. Handling is pure Porsche. Transitions are flawless at any speed. I would love to have it on a track. My neighbor is scheduled take delivery of a Ford GT this spring, and am anxious to make the comparison. His current Shelby 350 R is a Pitbull next to the Taycan saluki. Stay safe DD 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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