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Humber Hawk it is, Hektor! Not late '50s though.

This will pinpoint it nicely for you;

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Spot-on! Whole thing;

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Over to you, Hektor!

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Thank-you Philip.

Here is a fun one:

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Sorry to interrupt for a second gents, but I´d like to invite you to a little weekend walk around at Mullin Automotive Museum to see some pieces of automobile art. Rick Eberst presents them very well. I think in times like these it could be most enjoyable for some of you.

Now proceed with the riddle car! Hektor, you should clean up your barn 😉

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47 minutes ago, Rona!d said:

Sorry to interrupt for a second gents, but I´d like to invite you for a little weekend walk around at Mullin Automotive Museum to see some pieces of automobile art. Rick Eberst presents them very well. I think in times like these it could be most enjoyable for some of you...

Thank you very much for that link, Ronald! Absolutely wonderful in every respect. A true delight from start to finish.

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2 hours ago, Rona!d said:

Hektor, you should clean up your barn 😉

Hi Ronald, you will see when the final photo is posted that the car was restored and presumably also the seller's barn (actually it was under his Queensland house, renowned for being built on stilts to provide underfloor breezes and storage).

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Next clue:

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1 hour ago, hektor said:

Well done Nigel.  A 3 litre T8, we don't know the year as there are not any records we can find, but the model was introduced in 1923.

I'm not sure they will be able to offer any information new to you but you might find it useful to get in touch with the Musee Automobile de Vendee.

It is a passionately-run family-owned museum which specialises in the history of French Automobiles and their collection is chock-full of French 'domestic' fare - especially from the early days of motoring - and they might just be able to help you out in some way.

Their telephone number (in France, obviously) is 02 51 22 05 81. Not sure about international dialling codes etc.

FWIW They have a brace of Chenard et Walcker cars on dsplay; one from 1912 and the other from, coincidentally, 1923!

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1912;

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1923;

I wish your friend the best of luck in the restoration. It (probably) goes without saying that this manufacturer won the very first 24hr Le Mans race in, as it happens, 1923 so there is quite a bit of history involved in this story!

Philip.

EDIT : Doh!...](*,)...](*,)...](*,)

"..I will be surprised if anyone gets it, and in 24 hours will tell all if that is the result...."

:lol:...I see what you did there!.....

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That museum is on my list to visit as it has a superb collection but it is very long way out of my normal route from the UK to my house in France down the east side. We were going to visit it a few years ago, when I did a Loire valley trip in a 1904 Panhard et Levassor but the weather just got worse and worse during the week. Not only has the Panhard no hood/roof or windscreen but the external contracting band brakes on the rear wheels only, which have minimal braking in the dry, have next to none when the bands and drums get wet. We decided to cut the trip short and summoned the truck to pick up the Panhard the day before we were due to get to Talmont-Saint-Hilaire and flew out of Nantes rather than La Rochelle as planned. 

Wilson

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Many thanks Philip. I will pass on your advice.  I was able to persuade him to retain the original body and not make a 1923 Le Mans replica.  Fascinating back axle; I don't think they know about unsprung weight back then.

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Yes there were some clues along the way...

The first picture was hard - the arrangement of the body panels made it look like a speedster body and it did look like it had an unusual lighting arrangement cf a Kissel (I now see that that’s a modern light on its side 🙄) I also struggled with the manifold styling etc. 

The second picture was the key as it showed that what had appeared to be damage to the near side radiator cowling was actually a tell tale styling “crease” once the French origin was noted - I still think that design detail looks like someone’s dented the car...

The 24hr clue made sense only once I’d remembered the grille detail!

 

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