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It is the one in the Colorado grand and is a factory Marshall supercharged TA I think from memory 1936. The engine has been enlarged from the original 1250cc to 1500. I thought the grille was from a later TC but I was told it was original. I think as Hector got the MG first, in spite of my blanking bits out, I think the next car is his. 

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Not a car but the subject title reminded me of this print I have. It is in the photo archives of the Bloomfields fishing company and I was told that it was the first motor lorry in Great Yarmouth.

I guess it’s Edwardian from the dress.  Unusual number plate seems to predate the 1903 standard UK system. Interesting railway style buffers and round radiator.

someone here might know something.

 

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I think the round thing may be a winch for pulling fishing boats up onto the beach. I think you can see the cable. The truck might be an American ALCO or a Ford Model A from 1902. 

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5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

It is the one in the Colorado grand and is a factory Marshall supercharged TA I think from memory 1936. The engine has been enlarged from the original 1250cc to 1500. I thought the grille was from a later TC but I was told it was original. I think as Hector got the MG first, in spite of my blanking bits out, I think the next car is his. 

Wilson

IMHO it is a TC grille, however.  Note the Alfa Romeo Giulia SS in the background.  In the eighties I had a Giulietta SS with the sweetest engine every experienced.  I litte 1300 cc sewing machine. 

Here is the next one.  Note right-hand-drive, so think about it:

 

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18 minutes ago, Jim J said:

Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing?

Good morning Jim.  Too easy.  My uncle's car was one of only two that came to Australia in the fifties.  Left hand drive cars could not be driven on Australian roads at that time as part of the protectionist policy that lasted until the demise of the motor industry.  Accordingly two Gullwings (W198) were converted by Arthur Rizzo in Sydney.  Unfortunately the car never exceeded the speed limit when I was a passenger so had to wait another twenty years for that pleasure.

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Nice car.  I could be wrong, but I always thought that the reason left hand drive cars could not be registered here was because of a perception that it was unsafe to drive a left hand drive car on our roads.  The import duties and tariffs that existed on imported complete cars (as opposed to CKD, which attracted lower import charges) should have taken care of protecting the local industry that we no longer have.  I'm pretty sure that LHD cars could be registered in the Australian Capital Territory back then, possibly so that diplomatic personnel could drive cars from their own country.  Anyhow, enough of that.  Here's the next one:

 

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13 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I think the round thing may be a winch for pulling fishing boats up onto the beach. I think you can see the cable. The truck might be an American ALCO or a Ford Model A from 1902. 

Wilson

The truck is actually a Beaufort Lorry Co. vehicle from 1904 as far as I have been able to find. The Lorry business was part of Beaufort Car Co. and the trucks were exhibited at Olympia in 1905. It has a 2 cylinder 12hp engine and the illustrated model shows the same cylindrical front section and "railway" buffers. They also made an omnibus apparently....

The Lorry is charmingly described as being for "purposes that demand a vehicle capable of withstanding thorough hard wear". 

 

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I suspect I too know what this car is. I think I posted one of these about 18 months ago, which I saw belonging to the owner, when we stayed at the Devshree Palace, Deogargh, Rajasthan but I have run out of car images. 

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Am 5.10.2020 um 13:30 schrieb NigelG:

The truck is actually a Beaufort Lorry Co. vehicle from 1904 as far as I have been able to find. The Lorry business was part of Beaufort Car Co. and the trucks were exhibited at Olympia in 1905. It has a 2 cylinder 12hp engine and the illustrated model shows the same cylindrical front section and "railway" buffers. They also made an omnibus apparently....

The Lorry is charmingly described as being for "purposes that demand a vehicle capable of withstanding thorough hard wear".

Nigel, I was pretty impressed you found the trucks maker. Then I noticed that the maker had his logo/brand name on the truck in the faded photograph.

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38 minutes ago, Rona!d said:

Nigel, I was pretty impressed you found the trucks maker. Then I noticed that the maker had his logo/brand name on the truck in the faded photograph.

 

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On 10/7/2020 at 8:44 AM, hektor said:

 

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A 4 B is a London vehicle registration issued Jan 1904-May 1905.  Sayers was a Gt Yarmouth 'Ice merchant' / fish merchant  ... there were several 'ice houses' in Gt Yarmouth and Gorleston. Lots of ice was required for distribution of boxes / barrels of e.g. fresh herring ... transported all over England via the rail the network .

Ice was harvested from the Norfolk Broads during the winter. Wherrymen would break the ice and then scoop it into their holds using a “dydle” which was basically a large wire net strung between long poles, before transporting it off for storage in one of the ice-houses. Ice was needed in plentiful supply by the fishing industry at Lowestoft and Great Yarmouth ... both for the fleets themselves as they set out to sea, and later, for packing the prepared fish into barrels for transport.

All three Gt Yarmouth railway stations operated fish trains ... some combined with passenger trains. Fish trains travelled at 60mph ... fast enough to keep fish fresh for the markets.  

Gent wearing top hat could be  Mr Sayers ... Sayers is a well known / common name in Gt Yarmouth. The Commercial Motor Magazine archive includes the following ref a Beaufort lorry exhibited at the 1905 Olympia Motor Show  (Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders Exhibition)


BEAUFORT (173).—A iscwt. (sic) delivery van and a 3ocwt. (sic) lorry are on this stand. The latter has a 2-cylinder 12h.p. engine, which is capable of developing up to 18h.p. The lorry on view has recently been working at Great Yarmouth for Mr. H. J. Sayers, a well-known wholesale fish merchant, who wrote to us on the 12th instant as follows : --" The lorry leaves here next Tuesday, and I ant very sorry to part with it. The more I see of it and the work it does, the more convinced I am of its success. The engine is perfect, and it has surprised me several times when put to a severe test : it has never failed once." The unladen weight of this machine is about 2 tons scwt (sic)

OP has given me permission to post the image on Facebook's 'Great Yarmouth Remembers' ... thus anticipate replies from Gt Yarmouth historians with more information

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15 hours ago, Jim J said:

Not a Jaguar, but you're in the right country.  From a manufacturer better known for small to medium sized cars.  It is pre-WWII.

Think of a trumpet mute guys :)

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24 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

Think of a trumpet mute guys :)

Wilson

Well I think it’s an MG but not a WA (wah) if that was the clue.....

The WA had I think an unusual single combined hinge-barrel arrangement between the doors and this has individual front and rear hinges so I think it must be the previous model which was the smaller engined but equally stylish SA (though to be honest in all other respects I think the rear quarters  as shown in the pic are pretty much identical). I think there was another smaller again engined base version but I think that had steel wheels?

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