stuny Posted July 27, 2020 Share #13301  Posted July 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps the white is an XK 120 made for La Mans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted July 27, 2020 Share #13302  Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Stuart, Wrong country and older. Does resemble an XK120, maybe an inspiration for Bill Lyons. For the white car, the wheels are the clue. Wilson Edited July 27, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted July 27, 2020 Share #13303 Â Posted July 27, 2020 BMW Veritas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim J Posted July 28, 2020 Share #13304 Â Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Deleted - I didn't notice that Hektor had said the same thing..... Edited July 28, 2020 by Jim J ^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 28, 2020 Share #13305  Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Right make for the white car - wrong model. This actual car was made specifically to win a particular famous race or at least the team prize.  What about the grey (in the photo) car? Wilson PS It is the BMW bit that is correct not the Veritas. This one was a works team car and would have been made in Munich. For the grey car, the number of exhaust pipes is the clue as to my eyes it could be one of three cars. Edited July 28, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m410 Posted July 29, 2020 Share #13306 Â Posted July 29, 2020 F1 Maserati? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 29, 2020 Share #13307  Posted July 29, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is much closer to a Maserati A6-F2 of 1951-3 but that would have had 6 exhaust pipes. The previous F1 Maserati, the supercharged 1.5L 4CLT (1948-1950) had a more sloping front grille to it and the exhaust pipes exit from the left not right hand side. If I had the choice of any drum braked single seater to drive, it would be the 4CLT. It has no vices and instantly brings a smile to your face as you drive it. A 12 year old could do 4 wheel drifts with it.  Of course it was completely over-shadowed by the 158/159 Alfa Romeos, which had been developed pre-war, with large Italian government subsidies and had over 100 BHP more power (260 against 370). Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13308  Posted August 1, 2020 Come on guys I have given you all the clues. How many 4 cylinder F2 cars were around in the early 1950's - I can only think of 3 and one of these is unlikely to have been found in the north of Scotland. You know the other one is a BMW which looks like a Jaguar XK120. There is only one car it could be, made for a specific famous race. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13309  Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) On the BMW: 1940 328 „Mille Miglia“? Edited August 1, 2020 by a.j.z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13310  Posted August 1, 2020 Finally one correct. One of the three 1940 Mille Miglia team cars. This was the third place one driven by Brudes and Roese. I believe these cars were called the "Trouser Crease" roadsters to distinguish them from the interesting looking Kamm bodied 328 Coupés. I think this roadster is one of the prettiest 328's. In the photo it was driven by Gillie Tyrer, a Liverpool based motor trader. I won't post the whole photo until someone gets the F2 car. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13311  Posted August 1, 2020  "Bügelfalte" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13312 Â Posted August 1, 2020 Dear Wilson, As to the 4 cylinder Formula 2 car, I will take a wild guess and suggest a Ferrari with the Lampredi Monza engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13313  Posted August 1, 2020 Dear Wilson, the Bügelfalte was left-hand drive: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4019750'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13314  Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 1, 2020 by hektor 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4019752'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted August 1, 2020 Share #13315  Posted August 1, 2020 B.M.W. AG allows reproduction of this photograph: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4019755'>More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted August 2, 2020 Share #13316  Posted August 2, 2020 This one appears to be from the Mille Miglia with all three 328 roadster plus the Touring Coupe and the Kamm Coupe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 2, 2020 Share #13317  Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) The BMW may have been converted to RHD by using Frazer Nash parts, given that Gillie Tyrer owned a large garage that did a lot of racing car work. Alternatively my father might have put the negative in the carrier upside down, although he was usually pretty careful about this. However the exhausts on the F2 car come out the correct side, so the BMW must have been converted to RHD.I can't remember enough about the appearance of the Crimond circuit to say from that and the current circuit is in a wholly different location to the circuit at this time. The F2 is not the Ferrari 500/f2. That is the one of the three cars it could be that I thought was least likely to be there. The other two would have been far more commonly seen on British circuits. Wilson Edited August 2, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted August 2, 2020 Share #13318  Posted August 2, 2020 British? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 2, 2020 Share #13319  Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) OK I'll have a stab at the 'grey' car, an HWM-Alta F2. I don't know if I'm over intellectualising my guess but the configuration of the exhaust pipes with the slightly larger gap between two and three makes me think of an Alta engine, and the body makes me think of HWM. edit - 'grey' would make it mid green if I'm right edit - just realised you said the Moss no-show could have been the same make as the 'grey' car, and Moss did drive the HWM. edit - I'm getting excited now Edited August 2, 2020 by 250swb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 2, 2020 Share #13320  Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Steve, 100% correct with the F2 car., a Hersham and Walton Motors, Type 51-F2.  I seem to recall from 50 years ago, when rebuilding one of Geoff Taylor's Alta engines, that the cylinder heads were not reversible but that was a pre-war supercharged 1.5 litre version.  It was a horrible thing to rebuild, with all white metal bearings, needing to be hand scraped and just to get the supercharger lobe clearances correct, with shims under the bearings, took two of us well over a day. The other very similar car is the Type A Connaught with the Lea Francis based 4 cylinder engine, probably a better engine than the Alta, which was a 20 year old design by this time. The driver of the HWM was John Brown, which is such a common name I have been able to find out nothing about him. He is not in the 1957 British Motor Racing Directory, unlike Gillie Tyrer. As Andreas was the first to get one of the cars correct, I will award him the next car. Wilson P S I have also just noticed on the larger photo that the numbers are not reversed (apologies for doubting you Dad), so the BMW must have been converted. As the instruments are all central and parts available from Frazer Nash, probably not a huge job. The post war Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica Mk.1 was really an updated 328. W Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 2, 2020 by wlaidlaw 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4019856'>More sharing options...
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