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The "Zeiss Opton" lenses were the West German made. Later in production the "opton" was dropped.

 

I have taken several apart, and found two different styles of construction- and both were run in parallel. Comparable performance, but the mechanical fixtures and optics are not interchangeable. It is hard to tell one from the other until after taking the front ring and rear module out. The West German optics are first rate, but the new optical design is more frugal with respect to using glass. My opinion, after looking at the taper of the triplets used.

 

Carl Zeiss Jena also produced a 5cm F1.5 and 5cm f2 Sonnar after the war with SN above 3Million, and the optical formula and mechanical fixtures were "improved" with respect to vignetting. The diameter of the optics was enlarged. The rear retaining ring of the East German 5cm f1.5 will interfere with the RF mechanism of the camera when used with an Amedeo adapter.

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... The rear retaining ring of the East German 5cm f1.5 will interfere with the RF mechanism of the camera when used with an Amedeo adapter.

Brian,

 

Thanks, that's good to know. I already use a post war CZJ 50/2 Sonnar and a 50/2 Opton Sonnar with an Amadeo adaptor without a problem and after seeing some of your wonderful photos with the 50/1.5 was considering acquiring one. I hadn't heard this problem mentioned previously.

 

Pete.

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I looked through the back of a Canon P and Leica M3 to figure out why the Post-War Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm F1.5 would not focus properly with the adapter. I ended up shimming it for a Nikon RF.

 

The "Zeiss" and "Zeiss Opton" west German 50mm f1.5 lenses, and the pre-war and wartime 5cm f1.5 are fine with it. I prefer the feel of the pre-war Sonnar in the Jupiter mount over the Amedeo adapter. I own two Amedeo LTM adapters and two John Luke M-adapters.

 

These are three test images made with the Carl Zeiss 50mm F1.5 on the Amedeo adapter. All wide-open, on my M8.

 

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grass_f15 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

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redleaf_f15 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

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yellow_f15 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

I replaced the original damaged front element on this lens with one from a slightly later lens. Worked out well. Ended up trading this one off. But I ended up with a perfect J-3 focus mount and used it to convert a Coated 1936 5cm f1.5 Sonnar to Leica Mount. The 1936 lens was from a test batch of the first coated lenses.

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That lens sat for a week. I made the mistake of putting it on the M9, took my daughter out, and ended up with some of the nicest portraits of her that I've taken. The Sonnar was from the 198xxxx batch immediately following the earliest 190xxxx coated Sonnar that I have. The "Bloom" (tarnish in glass) on the uncoated lens was as effective as the coating on the earlier one. I want to try the pair on the Monochrom when it arrives. I ended up selling a 1954 Jupiter-3, had all German glass and kept the Sonnar for my 55th Birthday present to myself. The '54 Jupiter was probably one of the last with German glass, nice glass, but the fixture was damaged. I transferred the glass to a new housing. Some people do jigsaw puzzles, I like playing with old lenses.

 

I would like to see a professional shop add the Sonnar conversions to their services. I would be happy to pass along photographs and instructions of the process. I've corresponded with two shops, but the process is "not by the book" for aligning the focus with the RF. I align for close-up and wide-open, not at infinity. This is required as the focal length is slightly longer than the Leica standard. The Sonnar focus shift allows infinity focus to be covered by ~F2.8.

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This Jupiter-12 is from 1952, not only has German glass: also has a German Serial Number in the optical fixture. I have a couple of early Jupiters with Zeiss serial numbers in them.

 

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J-12 on the M8 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

The focus was way off, corrected by adding a 0.2mm shim.

 

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Jupiter-12, 1952 KMZ, wide-open on the M8 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

Wide-open and close-up on the M8. Note the KMZ Logo, and the first two digits of the Russian serial number.

 

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Zeiss SN by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

And the "added Bonus", the Zeiss SN on the rear fixture. Puts it as a 35/2.8 Biogon batch ordered in 1943.

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This Jupiter-12 is from 1952, not only has German glass: also has a German Serial Number in the optical fixture. I have a couple of early Jupiters with Zeiss serial numbers in them.

 

7681128944_2803fd8b74_b.jpg

J-12 on the M8 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

The focus was way off, corrected by adding a 0.2mm shim.

 

7681125834_03f2b7ce00_b.jpg

Jupiter-12, 1952 KMZ, wide-open on the M8 by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

Wide-open and close-up on the M8. Note the KMZ Logo, and the first two digits of the Russian serial number.

 

7681165096_afd244a48d_z.jpg

Zeiss SN by anachronist1, on Flickr

 

And the "added Bonus", the Zeiss SN on the rear fixture. Puts it as a 35/2.8 Biogon batch ordered in 1943.

 

All I can say is WOW!

 

If you ever want to sell one of those let me know. Jim

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M8 Uhr and Summilux 1.4/35 1980 no PP : Guzzi's

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back from a couple of weeks vacation and great to see the wonderful stuff going on here!

 

from today canon 35/2.8 and M8.2 with some flash from Metz 20

 

best regards

 

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Here is one taken today from my patio of La Chapelle de St. Victoire in Villecroze, Provence. It is about 4 km away and 400 metres below my house. It is taken with a late 1960's vintage 560 Telyt with Televit fast focus device, Visoflex III and M8. I am also using a Wratten 25A Red series VII high contrast filter, mounted behind the lens in the Televit, to counteract the rather low contrast of this lens.

 

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