ArtZ Posted July 10, 2009 Share #121 Posted July 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Really? You said that abstaining from translating posts written in foreign languages is "a question of savoir vivre, tolerance and respect of people". Now what is more ethical, tolerant or respectful in your opinion? Translating what we write or expecting dozens (hundreds?) readers to make the same effort themselves? Lct you forgot "...cultures and other languages than English." because respect and savoir vivre applies also for the minorities You're making a point because Wilfredo and I have exchanged two messages in Spanish! I repeat... this is more than ridiculous! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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plasticman Posted July 10, 2009 Share #122 Posted July 10, 2009 oh come on guys - I know I've been guilty of this before, but I feel bad about it now, and I think it's simply bad manners. No-one would behave so badly at a social gathering face-to-face, and if two people were sniggering together at a party speaking a language the rest of us didn't understand, and then threatened with lawyers if we asked them to translate for the rest of us, I think I'd be inclined to call for a psychiatrist instead of a solicitor... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 10, 2009 Share #123 Posted July 10, 2009 Indeed, I share your impressions having also now used the E-P1 with a variety of my M lenses (Leica, Zeiss, and one Voigtlander). I'm in the midst of a write-up for TOP but I can tell you that the Oly PEN E-P1 comes closest to a "poor man's Leica M" to-date. It's a wonderful, fun, and powerful little camera that's far more flexible than an M. I know there are plenty of naysayers here. That's fine. But let me leave readers with two big points to consider with regard to using the Oly E-P1 with M-mount lenses. 1. Image stabilization. As mentioned earlier, IS is built into the E-P1's camera body. The E-P1's high ISO is already cleaner than the M8's but IS makes it even better. 2. TTL. What you see in the E-P1's live view is what you get on your memory card. You're looking through the lens, not a rangefinder. That means you're seeing your depth of field live as you turn the lens aperture ring. How's that for Fun? There's plenty more to love about the Oly E-P1 mated with M-mount lenses. I would be very hard pressed to recommend an M8 body as a practical first choice for M mount shooting today. (And that's writing as a guy who owns three M8s and an M7.) I also have to wonder why Leica has not produced such a camera, and has no apparent plans to do so. Its relationship with Panasonic would, at least conceptually, have provided plenty of technical resources to do so and, of course, Panasonic is a co-partner in the whole Four Thirds format. I really have to shake my head. Throwing all of their eggs towards introducing a breathtakingly expensive new medium format camera into an ever-shrinking market segment just doesn't make sense for Leica. (Maybe for Canon or Nikon.) I would think that Leica would greatly benefit from the cash flow that a new, small, affordable M-mount camera body would certainly reap. Well I say hooray for Olympus. They'll certainly not slip quietly away in the night and they're enjoying eating German food! I received my ep1 with zoom lens yesterday. And whilst first impressions are quite positive (this little thing feels very substantial, not like the poor man's camera), I'm somewhat disappointed with the slow AF. Is AF speed better with the 17mm lens? With the Oly 50mm macro, AF hunting is really annoying, and makes this (optically excellent) lens fun to use with MF only. Need for a hopefully soon firmware upgrade. The lack of a VF is the biggest shortcoming of the EP1. It would have made it an even better camera and digital lightbox alternative to the M8 for mounting M lenses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2009 Share #124 Posted July 10, 2009 Come on guys! I only said - in friendliest possible way, that it would be nice for a larger number of posters to understand the posts, not because I dislike other languages, but because this is a worldwide international forum and English is the common ground. Simple courtesy, I would think. When I am in an international group it is the norm to do so, but maybe I am in the wrong groups.... No need to start a war over such a minor matter! Btw, I don't think the British Navy ever revoked the punishment for speaking a "secret language" as an instrument to prevent mutiny. It included Irish and rated 24 lashes with the cat-o-nine-tails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 10, 2009 Share #125 Posted July 10, 2009 With the Oly 50mm macro, AF hunting is really annoying This lens is purpose built for older Olympus...420, 430???? The lenes released with the camera were the 17 and the zoom, do they work better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 10, 2009 Share #126 Posted July 10, 2009 This lens is purpose built for older Olympus...420, 430???? The lenes released with the camera were the 17 and the zoom, do they work better? With the 14-42mm I wished AF to be faster. Subjectively, it feels on par with the better (newer) small sensor cams, such as eg lx3, but definitely not at the G1 level. I couldn't try the 17mm yet. There is only hope for a soon firmware update addressing this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 10, 2009 Share #127 Posted July 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) So it wont take on a consumer grade DSLR in that regard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #128 Posted July 10, 2009 And, whilst not in any way trying to tell off Wilfredo, it is just that many of us are interested in his opinions, this forum is indeed in English. For that reason another forum: Barnack's Bar, expressely states that there is no specific language, implying that there are specific languages in the rest of the forum. I quite like it that way. This is one of the few forums I know of where posters are not being harassed when their knowledge of English is less than perfect. Not to worry, you haven't missed out on anything, just some joking between Manuel and I, nothing technical in our exchange. I think most of us glance over these threads and read only what catches our attention and quite often discussions are limited between two or three people while the rest of us are ignored, even when English is used. Please don't take this as a lack of respect, Manuel and I are always joking, we Spanish speaking types never stop joking, it's in the blood. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 10, 2009 Share #129 Posted July 10, 2009 So it wont take on a consumer grade DSLR in that regard?[/quoteI have no direct comparison, so I don't know but would not think so. Maybe it s just the zoom lens. I tried the G1 14-45mm on the ep1 and find it to focus faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted July 10, 2009 Share #130 Posted July 10, 2009 Have no problems with the focusing speed at all. Here is a pic taken in underground parking lot of my car very low light, 17mm 2.8 zuiko iso 2500, 50th @ 2.8 noise filter off, no sharpening Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89830-m8-competition/?do=findComment&comment=958876'>More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted July 10, 2009 Share #131 Posted July 10, 2009 I received my ep1 with zoom lens yesterday. And whilst first impressions are quite positive (this little thing feels very substantial, not like the poor man's camera), I'm somewhat disappointed with the slow AF. Is AF speed better with the 17mm lens?With the Oly 50mm macro, AF hunting is really annoying, and makes this (optically excellent) lens fun to use with MF only. Need for a hopefully soon firmware upgrade. The lack of a VF is the biggest shortcoming of the EP1. It would have made it an even better camera and digital lightbox alternative to the M8 for mounting M lenses! The kit 14-42mm lens does do a bit of hunting for focus at times. But it's actually a pretty darn sharp lens with minimal distortion, so I forgive it. Plus, it's easy enough to quickly manually focus. (And it's auto-focus is still much faster than my M lenses.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2009 Share #132 Posted July 10, 2009 ...And it's auto-focus is still much faster than my M lenses... How is it possible? You focus, recompose and shoot don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted July 10, 2009 Share #133 Posted July 10, 2009 How is it possible? You focus, recompose and shoot don't you? That was a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 10, 2009 Share #134 Posted July 10, 2009 This lens is purpose built for older Olympus...420, 430???? The lenes released with the camera were the 17 and the zoom, do they work better? Hi Rob This lens was one of the first 4/3 Zuiko digital lenses. It's a 'mid pro' lens, weathersealed, and possibly the sharpest lens I've ever used (actually, the Leica 75 'cron might be sharper). When it came out the E1 was the only 4/3 camera (so I guess it was purpose built for that). It's a fantastic lens, but it always hunted when focusing - even on the latest and best Olympus dSLR's It does hunt on the EP-1, but not really worse than on older cameras. On the other hand, the IQ is nothing less than stunning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted July 10, 2009 Share #135 Posted July 10, 2009 Thanks Jono. Been watching this camera for quite a while now. It has only just started to turn up in some shops in Aus, though there isnt actually a camera within a hundred miles of me, so its interesting to hear what you guys find out. Someone is making a trip in October I think, If she jumps early maybe I have time to make her a carbon fiber battle shell for the thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 11, 2009 Share #136 Posted July 11, 2009 Oi! the man in the coat is sold............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted July 11, 2009 Share #137 Posted July 11, 2009 Let me suggest that when deciding on lenses please take the new full frame M9 into account. Rumors have it that it will be released prior to the end of 2009. Of course all the lenses will "work" on the M9 but, for an example, the 28 may now be plenty wide for most shooters whereas one of the posts on page one found it a bit too narrow on an M8. Just a bit more food for thought Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chingwa Posted July 11, 2009 Share #138 Posted July 11, 2009 please take the new full frame M9 into account. Rumors have it that it will be released prior to the end of 2009. That means used M8 prices will plummet... to what I wonder. $1000? Maybe I should sell now while I can still get at least $2k for it and get that E-P1 after all... Sad to see the digital devaluation applied to the m8, but I guess it was delusional to think otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2009 Share #139 Posted July 11, 2009 Depends on the price of the M9 and whether the M8.2 will be continued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 11, 2009 Share #140 Posted July 11, 2009 I do think all this talk about an imminent M9 is wishful thinking. Stefan Daniel's last comments were to the effect that they are making progress but that it's a difficult problem and there's no date for the camera. Given Leica will have taken a year by the time the S2 is available after first being shown, I doubt we will see an M9 this year, more likely a launch at Photokina 2010. I also expect it to be substantially more expensive than an M8.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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