wilfredo Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share #101 Posted July 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread reminds me a lot of the G1 thread, where the drawbacks only appeared later. I'm sure that the standard micro 4/3rds characteristics still apply. Having said that, if this nice camera had a zoom viewfinder I would seriously consider it. Maybe that will come next, things can only get better... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wilfredo Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share #102 Posted July 9, 2009 Wilfredo - you make such selfless sacrifices for this forum! Seriously though, I looked at the portrait and I particularly like the b&w version! Lovely tonal range and detail (as far as one can tell from a jpeg, that is). Keep us updated! Here are some more shots: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/91631-ten-minute-test-run.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 9, 2009 Share #103 Posted July 9, 2009 Here are some more shots: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/91631-ten-minute-test-run.html Oi Wilfredo, ya veo que te la compraste... esa sociedad de consumo te va perder He visto las fotos de tu casa... esos azulejos de "Mi casa es tu casa" y "Aqui vive un cura (hereje et apóstata)" se van hacer famosos Les fotos son buenas. A primera vista la calidad es buena, el diseño bonito y el tamaño de la cámara no demasiao grande. Ya me contarás más cosas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted July 9, 2009 Share #104 Posted July 9, 2009 ...I can already tell that this camera comes closest to matching an M8 file, but then again I am no expert on the finer points of technology. I won't be selling my M8 but I think I'll get good mileage from the PEN. If Leica hasn't produced anything like this it could very well be that it doesn't have the resources to do so. Who knows? Cheers Indeed, I share your impressions having also now used the E-P1 with a variety of my M lenses (Leica, Zeiss, and one Voigtlander). I'm in the midst of a write-up for TOP but I can tell you that the Oly PEN E-P1 comes closest to a "poor man's Leica M" to-date. It's a wonderful, fun, and powerful little camera that's far more flexible than an M. I know there are plenty of naysayers here. That's fine. But let me leave readers with two big points to consider with regard to using the Oly E-P1 with M-mount lenses. 1. Image stabilization. As mentioned earlier, IS is built into the E-P1's camera body. The E-P1's high ISO is already cleaner than the M8's but IS makes it even better. 2. TTL. What you see in the E-P1's live view is what you get on your memory card. You're looking through the lens, not a rangefinder. That means you're seeing your depth of field live as you turn the lens aperture ring. How's that for Fun? There's plenty more to love about the Oly E-P1 mated with M-mount lenses. I would be very hard pressed to recommend an M8 body as a practical first choice for M mount shooting today. (And that's writing as a guy who owns three M8s and an M7.) I also have to wonder why Leica has not produced such a camera, and has no apparent plans to do so. Its relationship with Panasonic would, at least conceptually, have provided plenty of technical resources to do so and, of course, Panasonic is a co-partner in the whole Four Thirds format. I really have to shake my head. Throwing all of their eggs towards introducing a breathtakingly expensive new medium format camera into an ever-shrinking market segment just doesn't make sense for Leica. (Maybe for Canon or Nikon.) I would think that Leica would greatly benefit from the cash flow that a new, small, affordable M-mount camera body would certainly reap. Well I say hooray for Olympus. They'll certainly not slip quietly away in the night and they're enjoying eating German food! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted July 9, 2009 Share #105 Posted July 9, 2009 Sounds very interesting, Ken. I've always maintained that the Ricoh GRD/GRD2 would have been a camera that Leica would have built if they were an innovative company — and now we have the E-P1 as another one. I agree with you on the idea that Leica should have aimed for an inexpensive and small M-lens body that could have been made in conjunction with Panasonic or produced in China, as opposed to going for the S2, particularly considering that R&D funds are so scarce. On using M-lenses on the E-P1, as these days I live at the wider angle end of the spectrum, I'm conscious of the fact that an Elmarit-21 is already at 42mm EFOV and even an 18mm lens puts you at 36mm. In this respect the scope for using M-lens, for me is quite limited, although there could be wider excellent Olympus or other 4/3rds lenses available. I'm also interested in the higher-ISO capability of the E-P1 as well as the IS facility. On framing with Live View, you're speaking my language here — as I wrote in an earlier post in this thread. Look forward to reading your write-up on TOP. —Mitch/Paris Scratching the Surface© Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chingwa Posted July 10, 2009 Share #106 Posted July 10, 2009 I'd love to see a direct comparison, same (leica)lens on the e-p1 vs. same lens on the M8. AND I'd love to see one of these HD videos shot with the summilux 50 I can see a few benefits of focusing directly at the sensor level... knowing your shots are focused where you want them to be... not having to reframe a shot after focusing on a critical area... you can frame your shot and then focus on any point with realtime feedback. The rangefinder mechanism works well for me most of the time on the m8, but I am nearsighted with glasses and this makes using the m8 difficult sometimes. the m8 is the most beautifully crafted camera I've ever seen though and the thought of using something else now is a bit of a downer and what is with the used m8 prices on Ebay? talk about losing value... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted July 10, 2009 Share #107 Posted July 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Long time since I chipped in and it always seems contentious, however, I have been using the ep1 and comparing the files to the m8 and they are very very good. There is no need to belittle this camera it is a great achievement and if it had the leica red dot we would all be in awe. Now I have a compact solution to throw in my jacket pocket that can take my M lenses- btw the 17 mm zuiko is no slouch tack sharp and contrasty the files are useable to 3200 iso and the grain structure superb , we are going to see some great shots with this. Negatives? ...... Very complex menu structure, but only because it offers a lot useless art filters tricky focusing with longer focal length lenses and that's it positives; price size through the sensor viewing high iso capability great tonal range and grain structure low noise takes M series lenses it is not a toy and I wish it were in black with the Leica red dot ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share #108 Posted July 10, 2009 Oi Wilfredo, ya veo que te la compraste... esa sociedad de consumo te va perder He visto las fotos de tu casa... esos azulejos de "Mi casa es tu casa" y "Aqui vive un cura (hereje et apóstata)" se van hacer famosos Les fotos son buenas. A primera vista la calidad es buena, el diseño bonito y el tamaño de la cámara no demasiao grande. Ya me contarás más cosas. Oi ArtZ, Es solo cuestion de tiempo y te veo con la EP1. Los objetivos 4/3 se pueden utilizar con un adaptador de la Olympus, asi que es cuestion de tiempo hermano. Ahora podras utilizar todo ese arsenal de objetivos que tienes, y luego dices que you soy el consumidor? Los pajaros tirandole a las escopetas A la verdad que esto esta muy divertido :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2009 Share #109 Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Wilfredo,I know enough about Latin, French and Italian to puzzle your posts out with some effort, but I am sure many of us have to refer to Babelfish or other translating programs.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 10, 2009 Share #110 Posted July 10, 2009 Jāps........... Dievam arī mīl spēlēties Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 10, 2009 Share #111 Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Wilfredo,I know enough about Latin, French and Italian to puzzle your posts out with some effort, but I am sure many of us have to refer to Babelfish or other translating programs.... jaap, I think this is the International User Forum and all foreign languges should be welcome. It's not the "English Speaking Only Section" of this Forum as far as I know. It's just a "clin d'oeil" to a friend in his own language... not a transcendental dicussion that might interest a lot of people here. And, of course, it's not a question of asking every member of this forum learning French, Italian, Latin, Dutch, Hebrew or any other foreing language... it's a question of "savoir vivre", tolerance and respect of people, cultures and other languages than English. When you post here in Dutch from time to time, I don't understand but I don't care because I respect you and your language. Besides, jaap, you and I are Europeans... and we have a certain number of Official Languages in Europe. We are used to this, aren't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 10, 2009 Share #112 Posted July 10, 2009 Jāps........... Dievam arī mīl spēlēties Translation from Latvian: jaaps........... God also loves to play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2009 Share #113 Posted July 10, 2009 God may love to play - but He also likes to punish. Remember Babylon.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 10, 2009 Share #114 Posted July 10, 2009 God may love to play - but He also likes to punish. Remember Babylon.... Well, that idea of God punishing us collectively, as a Peuple, belongs more to Jewish tradition... but as I'm Catholic, Apostolic and Roman... Jesus Christ come to change all that :p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2009 Share #115 Posted July 10, 2009 Not directed at our dear padre of course but english happens to be the international language on forums like this so savoir vivre implies translating into english what we might wish to express in other languages in my most humble, respectful and oecumenical opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2009 Share #116 Posted July 10, 2009 And, whilst not in any way trying to tell off Wilfredo, it is just that many of us are interested in his opinions, this forum is indeed in English. For that reason another forum: Barnack's Bar, expressely states that there is no specific language, implying that there are specific languages in the rest of the forum. I quite like it that way. This is one of the few forums I know of where posters are not being harassed when their knowledge of English is less than perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted July 10, 2009 Share #117 Posted July 10, 2009 tlhIngan 'oH QaQ Hol MrKlingon.org - the home of the Universal Translator Assistant Project Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 10, 2009 Share #118 Posted July 10, 2009 Well now it seems this thread has drifted, as threads tend to do... How about this general policy - if people feel the need to speak to each other in a language that they may assume the majority do not understand, they should as a courtesy include at least a brief summary of what they have said. This sort of thing maybe: "Oi Wilfredo, ya veo que te la compraste... esa sociedad de consumo te va perder... ...I was just teasing Wilfredo that the material pleasures of the world are going to corrupt his soul." Not too much to ask - and only what we would all do at a dinner-party where different languages were being spoken: let's keep it convivial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 10, 2009 Share #119 Posted July 10, 2009 Spanish is not Dutch, Afrikaans, Swedish, Klingon (that's a good one) or any other geographical small area language... it's the third more important language in the World. And as I said before, this is the International Forum not the "English Only Speaking Forum" and I haven't seen anything in the Forum Rules about being forbidden post here in other European Languages... In Rules in the Leica Forum is stated: Legal Notice The jurisdiction relating to the forum is German law, since the server is operated in Germany and the licensee is resident in Germany. Therefore, any posts which infringe German law are prohibited. I'm not a lawyer but as far as I know, it will be against German Law censor any text written in any European Language because it's not written in English. C'mon guys, you don´t have anything better to talk about or to do? This is really ridiculous! Regards . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2009 Share #120 Posted July 10, 2009 ... This is really ridiculous!... Really? You said that abstaining from translating posts written in foreign languages is "a question of savoir vivre, tolerance and respect of people". Now what is more ethical, tolerant or respectful in your opinion? Translating what we write or expecting dozens (hundreds?) readers to make the same effort themselves? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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