Jamie Roberts Posted June 19, 2009 Share #161 Posted June 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Done that been there but when you get guidance from someone like Brett it hammered home how much I have to learn and what the camera can do that is not in the manual. {Snipped}. Frank--if you're "humble enough" to learn from people like Brett, then be humble enough to learn to use the search function in the forum rather than turn another thread in here in the M8 forum on digital photography 101. All of the issues you've discussed have already been covered here. Just search and enjoy, OK? BTW--there's a whole world of helpful advice on digital photography out there... not just at the Leica forum The information you're looking for is not in the m8 manual because in most respects of operation and photography the m8 is just another digital camera--all the elements of exposure and high iso, zone focus, exposure and post processing are common to all semi-pro or high-end consumer digital cameras. BTW2--if you don't want to use the search function here, then use Google and the advanced search, but limit the search results to l-camera-forum.com. For example, let's say you wanted to know about the M8 and black and white photography. Type this in the Google search box: M8 black and white site:l-camera-forum.com Presto--everything you need to know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paga Posted June 19, 2009 Share #162 Posted June 19, 2009 ...and soon you can tell us all about your wonderful experience right here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/89585-i-love-my-leica-m8.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 19, 2009 Share #163 Posted June 19, 2009 Aye, a bona fide troll and impostor.....Just copying and pasting from a LinkedIn profile is not quite enough to be convincing, you see. Jaapv I am not sure what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that I have copied things from a Linkedin profile, because I have not. I am like many people on Linkedin and my profile is accurate and honest but not up to date . I now see that some people have looked me up on Linkedin and then have tried to suggest that I have been touting my CV around which I certainly have not. What I find unbelievable and very disconcerting that the same people in the forum revert to challenging my CV, (actually Linkedin profile I now understand), my credentials and not addressing the issues that I have raised. I really wish people would spend time discussing Leica and adding value to that theme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 19, 2009 Share #164 Posted June 19, 2009 Frank--if you're "humble enough" to learn from people like Brett, then be humble enough to learn to use the search function in the forum rather than turn another thread in here in the M8 forum on digital photography 101. All of the issues you've discussed have already been covered here. Just search and enjoy, OK? BTW--there's a whole world of helpful advice on digital photography out there... not just at the Leica forum The information you're looking for is not in the m8 manual because in most respects of operation and photography the m8 is just another digital camera--all the elements of exposure and high iso, zone focus, exposure and post processing are common to all semi-pro or high-end consumer digital cameras. BTW2--if you don't want to use the search function here, then use Google and the advanced search, but limit the search results to l-camera-forum.com. For example, let's say you wanted to know about the M8 and black and white photography. Type this in the Google search box: M8 black and white site:l-camera-forum.com Presto--everything you need to know Jamie thanks for this constructive advice I shall certainly do as you suggest, and have already done so in the past. However I am beginning to wonder what the purpose of the forum is. I see currently: 1) Every time I ask a specific question or share my experience as someone new to digital M8 level of photography I am told to use the search function, or Google which I have done on very specific issues already several times. I am told that the issue is well known and has been discussed many times. ...dont bore people etc 2) When I discover an issue such as the inability for M8 to do macro or Telephoto with current Leica product...........I am told that this is not the purpose of a rangefinder camera and I do not understand etc. etc. I must be stupid etc...... > Professionals then pile in and tell me that they have 3 DSLR's from Canon, Nikon and a Digital module for "R" etc etc and I do not know what I am talking about. > Yet my "M" system has a Viso and I have three Telyt lenses so what was possible with "M" system is no longer possible and this is apparently good 3) When I critique the after sales service I am told that I should be happy as at least they repair cameras and old lenses . 4) Meanwhile people feel the need and are allowed by the moderator to launch personal attacks. I am accused of so many things from being out of work, to launching my cv to touting for work to save leica to being a poor CEO etc etc. This is not a very friendly forum. 5) Meanwhile many other people like me voice their frustration about the need for a new generation Macro / telephoto capability! > Only when Leica say last weekend that it is indeed part of their plans do I get some nay sayers thinking in a new direction. "Maybe there is indeed a need to bring out a Viso like functionality that last time around was in production for 50 years, and made the Leica unique as system then and hopefully tomorrow". 6) Meanwhile other people confirm my poor experiences with after sales support.... > Then I am told "it will be interesting to see if Leica management dont feel threatened by negative talk like this on the forum"...in other words do not raise issues that may offend. Not very encouraging to have open debate i am afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted June 19, 2009 Share #165 Posted June 19, 2009 When did you say your wife was coming back Frank? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paga Posted June 19, 2009 Share #166 Posted June 19, 2009 She's not coming back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 19, 2009 Share #167 Posted June 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efftee Posted June 19, 2009 Share #168 Posted June 19, 2009 Frank, you know, I am genuinely trying to be nice here. Has it ever occurred to you that, since so many people have voiced their disagreement to your views and manner in which you ramble on and on, that perhaps, they have a point and you should, instead of sticking stubbornly to your guns and ramble on and on, seriously consider what they are saying may be true? You expressed your opinions, some of which may even have been quite confounding, but that's all they are - opinions, not gospel. You can't forcibly impose your belief and philosophy upon us by rambling on and on. I mean, never mind a CEO, but even a manager would do well to listen (or read) more than speak, no? Consider that please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 19, 2009 Share #169 Posted June 19, 2009 The issues Frank's raising have been discussed ad nauseam here so i'd suggest he uses the surch function of the forum as well. Now some attacks against him are hardly bearable and i would feel better if they could stop right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ru_di Posted June 19, 2009 Share #170 Posted June 19, 2009 ....u guys have much too much patience with some posters..... "Wanna Do"...says it all in my view....:cool: my 1st user on the ignore list.....after so many years...unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted June 19, 2009 Share #171 Posted June 19, 2009 The issues Frank's raising have been discussed ad nauseam here so i'd suggest he uses the surch function of the forum as well. Now some attacks against him are hardly bearable and i would feel better if they could stop right now. Agree completely. As I mentioned some posts ago, this thread has run its course and then some. Time to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2009 Share #172 Posted June 19, 2009 Holy shit this is a boring thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted June 19, 2009 Share #173 Posted June 19, 2009 Holy shit this is a boring thread! Only a matter of time Brent; then we can wheel in the next troll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 19, 2009 Share #174 Posted June 19, 2009 Frank, you know, I am genuinely trying to be nice here. Has it ever occurred to you that, since so many people have voiced their disagreement to your views and manner in which you ramble on and on, that perhaps, they have a point and you should, instead of sticking stubbornly to your guns and ramble on and on, seriously consider what they are saying may be true? You expressed your opinions, some of which may even have been quite confounding, but that's all they are - opinions, not gospel. You can't forcibly impose your belief and philosophy upon us by rambling on and on. I mean, never mind a CEO, but even a manager would do well to listen (or read) more than speak, no? Consider that please. Thanks for this and that you are genunely trying to be nice...much appreciated, seriously thanks. You say I ramble on ...well today my ramblings have been in the direction of : > Defending myself as a fraudster, copying a Linkedin profile ...which I have not done, and other personal attacks in a forum that is supposed I thought to be about Leica, and photography using a Leica. The attacks have not been about substance on what I am saying with respect to the above subjects. > My opinions (about Leica) are not gospel and maybe wrong. I have admitted that Visoflex idea maybe wrong, but the need remains for a Macro / Telephoto I think for at least the amateur market...apparently many people agree and so does Leica. Modern technology seems to offer a solution. > I am ready to listen but not from people who do not argue with facts and come out with statements about how well after sales service are doing etc : Specifics: >We should be happy with six months turnaround and huge costs > We should recognise that a M8 is handcrafted soldered items that cannot be easily serviced and we should be happy with the fact they are prepared to give it a go (Really...if true as an owner..........is that good news to hear) > We should recognise that they have two inventory stocks at Leica ...the regularly needed parts and the vintage stuff. That is why service times take so long...again I am supposed to be happy as an owner. OK I have solid opinions on the above, but thankfully so do many others in the threads I have created ...we are here at 9 pages. Other CEO thread is at 13 pages I think. It is suggested that I should read Google and use search and avoid a thread on actually taking photos with an M8 .....yet the new book on this subject is slammed as useless by several senior forum members. Believe me I am pretty passionate about Leica and believe I have discovered something great with the M8. I shall not give up soon. I also ask what happened to this guy Helios that I have been compared to. Was he someone who was principled also and wished to question or waht? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted June 19, 2009 Share #175 Posted June 19, 2009 qed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted June 19, 2009 Share #176 Posted June 19, 2009 .............. I also ask what happened to this guy Helios that I have been compared to. Was he someone who was principled also and wished to question or waht? He was a pain in the arse and he got booted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 19, 2009 Share #177 Posted June 19, 2009 qed Stephen I looked QED up on Google as I could not understand what you are getting at, or what value added you were giving. It says: quote Q.E.D. is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase quod erat demonstrandum, which literally means "which was to be demonstrated". The phrase is written in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument to signify that the last statement deduced was the one to be demonstrated; the abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof unquote I still have no idea what you are trying to say. ...sorry can you be more specific as to what you are rying to convery that has something to do with Leica cameras or Leica photography. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted June 19, 2009 Share #178 Posted June 19, 2009 Stephen .... Thanks. "since .....and manner in which you ramble on and on" which gives rise to a reponse of 367 words or 1627 characters excluding the spaces. Frank, please give us all a break, including yourself, we have better things to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted June 19, 2009 Share #179 Posted June 19, 2009 He was a pain in the arse and he got booted out. Interesting......it sounds pretty serious what he did. Yellow card followed one would expect by a red card for breaking the rules of the forum. I really am intrigued what "a pain in the arse means" according to the moderator and body that rules with "light touch regulation". Can you give specifics since we all need I guess to be very careful as we go forward: > Ask awkward questions of Leica and usage of this wonderful camera and expectations for new kit and after sales support.... is that OK? > Attacking individuals like me at a personal level repeatedly at a level that is libellous...is that OK ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 19, 2009 Share #180 Posted June 19, 2009 Frank, a couple of questions. What is Leica's current average turn around for repairs from the time of a parcel arriving at Leica to the time of despatch? Do you think it's possible that following the launch of the M8 the repair/service department was swamped with thousands of lenses set in for 6 bit coding, plus the recall of every early M8 for component update? Do you think this may have had an impact on repair times at that point in time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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