thrid Posted June 19, 2009 Share #381 Posted June 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Cinematic industry has been using Live View and Electronic View Finders for years. Video feeds from the traditional film movie cameras to both EVF and HD displays, EVF on the current digital movie cameras (Sony HD900, Panavision Genesis etc) work fine for Hollywood, make stash of ching and win cinematography oscars -"Slumdog millionaire". The latter's camera (SI 2000) used on half of the film, especially tight city shots, has a 600k EVF. Good enough for 100mil budgets ( eg Superman) , will sure make do for the smaller commercial and private photographic means... Aside from the RED fan-boys, the vast majority of cinematographers do not like electronic viewfinders. They do not like their low resolution, lag or that you can not see beyond the captured area. I work in the movie business, so I have personal experience with this. ENG operators are a different thing, since they are shooting video and there is no alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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markowich Posted June 19, 2009 Share #382 Posted June 19, 2009 Aside from the RED fan-boys, the vast majority of cinematographers do not like electronic viewfinders. They do not like their low resolution, lag or that you can not see beyond the captured area. I work in the movie business, so I have personal experience with this. ENG operators are a different thing, since they are shooting video and there is no alternative. red fan boys focus on the future while leica fan boys are hooked to the past. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 20, 2009 Share #383 Posted June 20, 2009 In fact, Leica fanboys are torn between future and past, and now OVF and EVF. On Red, I will say again, they are all about internet hype. And these video cameras are mainly for shooting raw material for digital FX process in post production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted June 20, 2009 Share #384 Posted June 20, 2009 In fact, Mitch, you are the first one saying so. I cannot imagine Leica even entertaining the though, nor anybody interpreting Mr. Daniel's words this way.EVF, now that is definitly on the cards. But I would not advise holding an EVIL camera at arms lenghth any more than I would a current DSLR. No, Jaap, this was a question raised by Andrew Barton: see post #322. —Mitch/Pranburi Wild Beasts of Botswana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted June 20, 2009 Share #385 Posted June 20, 2009 No, Jaap, this was a question raised by Andrew Barton: see post #322. —Mitch/Pranburi Wild Beasts of Botswana Mitch, post 322 wasn't posted Andy B. Maybe you meant to type 325? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palec Posted June 20, 2009 Share #386 Posted June 20, 2009 I want to say good bye to all users of this forum.Something very unusual happened to me. For the first time in my life since the martial law in Poland in early eighties, my expression was totally censored =cut out in full. I did not use in any of my posts any arguments ad personam, racist, abusive etc etc. I did not use expletives. I can only surmise that a couple of posts above, in a joking manner I substituted a name of an apparel company (French Connection UK) FCUK for where a swear word would ususally be. Within minutes the post was removed without an explanation. An old admin fogey probably missed the joke. I guess I'm to old too for a victorian kindergarten. I was spending too much time here anyway. Back to real life. To all of you- Good Night and Good Luck. Those in a dire need can reach me at nugat@mac.com. Cheers Piotr This went all wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted June 20, 2009 Share #387 Posted June 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) red fan boys focus on the future while leica fan boys are hooked to the past.peter I'm all for progress, as long as it really is progress. There are some people that simply reject something, because it isn't new. As an example a lot of the RED crowd reject the concept of a mechanical shutter and optical viewfinder, because they dismiss these as 'obsolete technology from the film days.' But two of the biggest complaints about the RED camera are directly related to rejecting these two supposedly obsolete technologies. The RED suffers from 'jello vision', because of it's rolling shutter and critical focus is a little something of a crap shoot, because of the limitations of the electronic viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted June 20, 2009 Share #388 Posted June 20, 2009 In fact, Leica fanboys are torn between future and past, and now OVF and EVF. On Red, I will say again, they are all about internet hype. And these video cameras are mainly for shooting raw material for digital FX process in post production. Actually the RED camera is really, really bad for shooting FX plates. The rolling shutter causes all sorts of problems. The jello effect can make it impossible to generate 3D tracking data and any CG that is generated to be added to the footage can be next to impossible to integrate, because it will lack the equivalent distortion. The Genesis, Arri-D21/22 or Viper would all be a better choice, because they have a mechanical shutter that either eliminates or greatly reduces the rolling shutter problem and allows you to sync the camera to strobes, muzzle flashes, police car lights etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted June 21, 2009 Share #389 Posted June 21, 2009 THERSITES I will see you hanged, like clotpoles, ere I come any more to your tents: I will keep where there is wit stirring and leave the faction of fools. PATROCLUS: A good riddance. I was really surprised to get so many mails asking me to rethink and then to find at this forum as many well-wishers. Even from people with whom I have disagreed continuously. It would be a shame to ignore this volume of good will and reason, along with the expertise this community brings. My rationale to call it quits rests on the assumption that a publisher has the right to refuse to publish, however I reserve the right to believe that my words did not cross the boundaries of anybody else's freedoms. Alas, we cannot both be right. To some it seems a trifle, to me not so. With the hindsight of a good weekend and all the wise and nice letters I received I agree I might have overreacted. My joke was "specific", maybe not to the taste of the many conservative (don't be afraid to admit it) members here. I am not going to engage though in a futile if pompous defense of the freedom of speech. It has a much more worthy defender in the US Supreme Court whose ruling allows larry flynts to distribute their wares. Out of respect for all those who wrote to me I will remain a happy reader of this publication of opinions, most likely not a contributor for time to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 21, 2009 Share #390 Posted June 21, 2009 Did not follow this case sorry but i was happy to discuss with you here and your experience is certainly useful for this forum. Might i suggest that you don't take all this too seriously? Life's too short my friend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted June 21, 2009 Share #391 Posted June 21, 2009 Mitch, post 322 wasn't posted Andy B. Maybe you meant to type 325?Post # 322 contains a quote from Andy. —Mitch/Pranburi Wild Beasts of Botswana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted June 21, 2009 Share #392 Posted June 21, 2009 On my screen #322 was posted by AlanG and quoted Rosuna but it does not contain a quote from Andy; (for the clarity of others following this thread) I'm with Steve on this one because post #325 contains the quote to which you've alluded. I suspect that some posts have been removed from this thread (Nugat's?)and may be affecting the numbering. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted June 21, 2009 Share #393 Posted June 21, 2009 THERSITES I will see you hanged, like clotpoles, ere I come any more to your tents: I will keep where there is wit stirring and leave the faction of fools.PATROCLUS: A good riddance. I was really surprised to get so many mails asking me to rethink and then to find at this forum as many well-wishers. Even from people with whom I have disagreed continuously. It would be a shame to ignore this volume of good will and reason, along with the expertise this community brings. My rationale to call it quits rests on the assumption that a publisher has the right to refuse to publish, however I reserve the right to believe that my words did not cross the boundaries of anybody else's freedoms. Alas, we cannot both be right. To some it seems a trifle, to me not so. With the hindsight of a good weekend and all the wise and nice letters I received I agree I might have overreacted. My joke was "specific", maybe not to the taste of the many conservative (don't be afraid to admit it) members here. I am not going to engage though in a futile if pompous defense of the freedom of speech. It has a much more worthy defender in the US Supreme Court whose ruling allows larry flynts to distribute their wares. Out of respect for all those who wrote to me I will remain a happy reader of this publication of opinions, most likely not a contributor for time to come. Drama, at its finest. Welcome back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 21, 2009 Share #394 Posted June 21, 2009 Teacup, storm. I must say you are a very lucky person indeed if you need to worry about such problems as a deleted post on an internet forum! Look at Kenneth, he couldn't stay away either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share #395 Posted June 21, 2009 No, Jaap, this was a question raised by Andrew Barton: see post #322. —Mitch/Pranburi Post 322 does not contain any reference to me. Post 325 is one of mine, and is in reference to the absurd notion of holding an "SLR" camera at arms length, a-la p&s cameras or those within mobile phones. Oh, and by the way, no one calls me "Andrew". Except my Mother and my Wife. Mitch is neither. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 22, 2009 Share #396 Posted June 22, 2009 I think user9293 took the best shot of the demise of the R series :D In actual fact the poor "desperate" fellow was just tired and Mr Daniel was listening to a question (one of mine if I recall correctly, too). It goes to show how to take a striking press shot Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/87751-hessenpark-news-official-no-r10-no-ff-m9-yet/?do=findComment&comment=940606'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 22, 2009 Share #397 Posted June 22, 2009 I think user9293 took the best shot of the demise of the R series :DIn actual fact the poor "desperate" fellow was just tired and Mr Daniel was listening to a question (one of mine if I recall correctly, too). It goes to show how to take a striking press shot Had you just asked him when Leica staff were due their next pay rise? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 22, 2009 Share #398 Posted June 22, 2009 Had you just asked him when Leica staff were due their next pay rise? Pay rise? How pre-recession... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 22, 2009 Share #399 Posted June 22, 2009 Had you just asked him when Leica staff were due their next pay rise? Wilson Actually, I think it was when I asked him to make more of Leica's presence known on the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCoupe Posted June 22, 2009 Share #400 Posted June 22, 2009 So what's a former R enthusiast to do? What are the real options if one wants to stick with the focal lengths he or she considered so thoughtfully before spending double or triple the money for R/ROM glass? Are there any good alternatives? I haven't kept up with the technology, because I never dreamt Leica would leave R users in this lurch. Do any cameras offer any sorts of exposure control or focus confirmation linking with Leica R lenses? Or is all stop-down fiddling around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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