lct Posted October 31, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 31, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) As far as colour, sharpness and bokeh are concerned, the two lenses look very close on the R-D1. The 28/2.8 is a bit sharper with a slightly harsher OoF perhaps? Not obvious on my monitors. Vignetting looks similarly low with both lenses. 28/2 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2739_crop02web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2742_crop02web.jpg 28/2 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2739_crop01web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2742_crop01web.jpg 28/2 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2740_crop02web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2743_crop02web.jpg 28/2 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2740_crop01web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2743_crop01web.jpg (Epson R-D1, 200 iso, 100% crops) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 Hi lct, Take a look here 28mm M lenses: new Elmarit asph vs Summicron. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MP3 Posted November 1, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 1, 2006 The Elmarit asph's rendition is just a stop higher, in terms of sharpness, contrast and color saturation in my eyes... Wondering am I making a wrong choice too early when I purchased my 28 Cron just this January! LCT, any chance to provide some more comparison shots with different subjects and different lightings? Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 1, 2006 Share #3 Posted November 1, 2006 I think this comparison is also on the menu for Sean Reid's reviews in the coming week or so (28/2 vs 28/2 pre-asph (?) vs 28/2.8 vs Zeiss 28/2 vs Voigtlaender 28's). The pre-asph is doubtful since I don't believe he normally shoots with one and I doubt that leica would be loaning them. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted November 1, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 1, 2006 Thanks for posting these LCT. - Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted November 1, 2006 Share #5 Posted November 1, 2006 Hi LCT, Do you prefer one over the other? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share #6 Posted November 1, 2006 The new Elmarit looks a bit more contrasty here. 28/2 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2747-afterweb.jpg 28/2.8 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2745-afterweb.jpg 28/2 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2747_crop01web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2745_crop01web.jpg 28/2 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2748-afterweb.jpg 28/2.8 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2746-afterweb.jpg 28/2 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2748_crop01web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/5.6: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2746_crop01web.jpg (Epson R-D1, 200 iso, full frame & 100% crops) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 1, 2006 Share #7 Posted November 1, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think this comparison is also on the menu for Sean Reid's reviews in the coming week or so (28/2 vs 28/2 pre-asph (?) vs 28/2.8 vs Zeiss 28/2 vs Voigtlaender 28's). The pre-asph is doubtful since I don't believe he normally shoots with one and I doubt that leica would be loaning them. Not to mention the fact that there wasn't a pre-ASPH 28mm Summicron :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 1, 2006 Share #8 Posted November 1, 2006 To my eye the differences are so miniscule that either lens would be a good addition to one's camera bag. I don't believe it's really possible to make a "mistake" with any Leica lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 1, 2006 Share #9 Posted November 1, 2006 I was considering the purchase of a 28mm lens, Elmarit or Summicron. Now I am thinking on a Summilux 35mm. The luminosity is a very important variable to me. But the Summilux 35mm ASPH has a lot of vignetting at the widest aperture. I am not sure about how this lens would perform in the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share #10 Posted November 1, 2006 Finally flare. 28/2 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2755web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2756web.jpg (Epson R-D1, 200 iso) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share #11 Posted November 1, 2006 ...Do you prefer one over the other?... For low light, portrait and bokeh: Summicron. For fun, wallet and backache: new Elmarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted November 1, 2006 Share #12 Posted November 1, 2006 Finally flare. 28/2 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2755web.jpg 28/2.8 at f/2.8: http://tinyurl.com/rv7w/EPSN2756web.jpg WOW! I realize that one photo does not a complete analysis make, but the flare resistance of the new lens, as demonstrated in your photographs posted here, over the legendary Summicron is startling. Makes one lean in the direction of the new Elmarit, doesn't it? Thanks for your work here. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 1, 2006 Share #13 Posted November 1, 2006 Not to mention the fact that there wasn't a pre-ASPH 28mm Summicron :-) Oops, that's right. I was thinking there must have been something before the present generation that Garry Winogrand was using in the 70s and 80s, but according to the LLC there were three flavors of Elmarit 28mm before the 1990s, and no Summicron. Given the comments heard on the new Elmarit from several it doesn't sound like much of a contest. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted November 1, 2006 Share #14 Posted November 1, 2006 When I took a workshop with Winogrand back then, he was using a Minolta Rokkor 28 designed for the Minolta CLE and modified by a place in NY to bring up the correct framelines on his motordrive Leica M (he just used the motor so he wouldn't have to take the camera away from his eye to wind it, not to take bursts of frames). I got that 28 shortly after - it was cheap, tiny, sharp, a really nice lens (they are still available all over used rangefinder sites). but they had an annoying propensity for fungus growth inside the lens, which mine did after a few years....maybe the ones that are available and still clean won't ever do that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachkebia Posted November 1, 2006 Share #15 Posted November 1, 2006 Thanks for the pictures! I clearly prefer Elmarit, can`t wait until it arrives! two days left! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share #16 Posted November 1, 2006 When I took a workshop with Winogrand back then, he was using a Minolta Rokkor 28 designed for the Minolta CLE...I got that 28 shortly after - it was cheap, tiny, sharp, a really nice lens (they are still available all over used rangefinder sites). but they had an annoying propensity for fungus growth inside the lens, which mine did after a few years....maybe the ones that are available and still clean won't ever do that... Yes i used to use this lens as well and mine is still clean fortunately. It is not as sharp as modern lenses and it vignettes a bit of course but it shows nice colours and its bokeh is smoother. Makes great combos with the Summicron-C 40/2 or the M-Rokkor 40/2 and M lenses of the eightees IMHO. (Summicron 28/2 & M-Rokkor 28/2.8) (Epson R-D1 & M-Rokkor 28/2.8) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted November 2, 2006 Share #17 Posted November 2, 2006 For low light, portrait and bokeh: Summicron.For fun, wallet and backache: new Elmarit. Wow, LCT, that picture really puts the size difference into graphic perspective. I ordered the f2.8 because it was available and they were shipping the camera to me today. I was told the f2.0 would not be available until the end of November (because of the coding), but I could exchange the 2.8 for it then if I wanted to. That was kind of the dealer, but what I will do instead is try the 28 f2.8 along with the 21 f2.8ASPH and 35 f1.4ASPH and make a decision about whether or not to buy the 28 Summicron too. As Leica lenses go, the 28 f2.8 is surprisingly inexpensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted November 2, 2006 Share #18 Posted November 2, 2006 Is the optical difference of any importance or are both lenses that good that its more a question of f2.0 vs f.28 for a much lower price? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 2, 2006 Share #19 Posted November 2, 2006 I'll wait to hear a few more opinions and see some posted pictures, but there is reason to believe that the 2.8 which is the latest design, might be better than the 2.0 for at least some types of situations, when used on the M8 with its reduced size sensor. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Virtanen Posted November 2, 2006 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2006 I wonder how much the Summicron blocks the viewfinder in M8. Is it similar to 35mmlux asph in M6 or better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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