Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder

[hexx]

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5 minutes ago, thrid said:

I'm curious what the refresh rate is of the EVF... 120Hz

according to specs, it's 60FPS, battery life isn't great either 237 shots

Edited yesterday at 04:36 PM by hexx

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[anonymoose]

I love that Leica made this in addition to the classic RF M cameras. This will make the M system more accessible, which is great.

[frankchn]

2 minutes ago, anonymoose said:

I love that Leica made this in addition to the classic RF M cameras. This will make the M system more accessible, which is great.

Well given that this is $9000, and a M11-P is $9850, it isn't that much more accessible money wise . I think the people who want the EVF experience will enjoy it though.

Edited yesterday at 04:38 PM by frankchn

[riepibcx]

I think this was a brilliant marketing move for the Leica Forum.

[anonymoose]

1 minute ago, hexx said:

according to specs, it's 60FPS

I'm curious if it will work the way my A1 works: I can do 120fps at a reduced resolution or 60fps at a higher resolution.

[sdk]

The main difference advantage of the Leica M EV1 over an M11 with the Visoflex 2 EVF is compactness. But loss of the rangefinder for wideangle stopped-down focusing is not really worth it for me. It might have been better for Leica to develop this as an L mount camera shaped like an M, then introduce some compact, rangefinder-sized L mount lenses for it.

Edited yesterday at 04:40 PM by sdk

[FlashAndPoof]

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How does the usability compare to just using a Visoflex?

[colonel]

I agree with comments here that a RF version with some kind of projected EVF or hybrid VF would be quite interesting.

With the cost of the EVF version, the slow focusing and using an EVF at night, not seeing around the image, and all the other limitations, it seems unattractive. If it was £3000, then maybe interesting for beginners into the systsm ...

[anonymoose]

4 minutes ago, frankchn said:

Well given that this is $9000, and a M11-P is $9850, it isn't that much more accessible money wise . I think the people who want the EVF experience will enjoy it though.

Definitely didn't mean accessible money-wise 😂

[Jeffry Abt]

They will sell boatloads of them, and I think that is good.

[mekener]

    We can talk about the pros and cons of the new ev1 for days and it would be good conversation however shooting a Leica M is a tactile,  emotional(for lack of a better word) experience for me and possibly for many other existing users. I completely get why existing and new users would like to get one but I just don't feel the new ev1. I have a q3 43 I bought as a backup, for general bad weather and for the times I just feel lazy. It quickly became a joy to use. It has ibis, good autofocus and a wonderful lens. It gets just as much use as the m11 nowadays. I really have no need for a m11 with ev focusing only. Just my personal opinion...

[Pixeleater]

32 minutes ago, lincoln_m said:

Isn't the M10-R the same sensor tech as M10 but smaller noisier pixels? Where the M11 onwards (60MP, 36MP, 18MP) is a Back Side Illuminated sensor (new tech with lower noise for the size and better dynamic range) so if they made a 36MP version only it should have lower noise and better dynamic range than the 47MP M10-R? 60MP seems too much for handheld but 24MP doesn't seem enough in some cases, hence the 36MP as the new low noise sensor. 

I really wouldn't know what to get if my M10 has trouble other than another used M10. M11 etc just seem too expensive for my hobby these days. 

Yeah, that’s spot on — the M10-R still uses the same front-side sensor architecture as the M10, just with smaller pixels to get to 40+ MP. The tradeoff is a bit more noise and a touch less dynamic range per pixel, but overall it’s still beautifully balanced.

The M11’s BSI sensor is newer tech and gives cleaner shadows and a bit more DR, especially at lower ISOs. But honestly, I love the look out of the M10-R — the files have that classic Leica tonality and color that just feels right.

I agree that a 36MP BSI sensor would probably hit the perfect middle ground between resolution, noise, and file size — but for me, the M10-R still hits that sweet spot. It’s refined, consistent, and the rendering is gorgeous without being clinical.

Edited yesterday at 04:50 PM by Pixeleater

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7 minutes ago, Pixeleater said:

Yeah, that’s spot on — the M10-R still uses the same front-side sensor architecture as the M10, just with smaller pixels to get to 40+ MP. The tradeoff is a bit more noise and a touch less dynamic range per pixel, but overall it’s still beautifully balanced.

The M11’s BSI sensor is newer tech and gives cleaner shadows and a bit more DR, especially at lower ISOs. But honestly, I love the look out of the M10-R — the files have that classic Leica tonality and color that just feels right.

I agree that a 36MP BSI sensor would probably hit the perfect middle ground between resolution, noise, and file size — but for me, the M10-R still hits that sweet spot. It’s refined, consistent, and the rendering is gorgeous without being clinical.

I have an M10-P that I have put well over 100K clicks on in bringing it on many jobs. It's super quiet and the way the photos are used it holds up fine at 24MP. I was hoping this new camera might be a good addition to it as RF focusing and framing is not always optimal for the photo you are wanting to make. But I just see no gains here with the net loss of any kind of hybrid approach to RF focus. RF focusing speed is very much second nature to me, it does what EVF focusing can not do and I am not willing to part with it completely in an M mount camera. 

So I will instead look for a good clean M10-R to add to the M family. I only own and use 28mm, 35mm and 50mm lenses in Leica so an M10-R will be a good pairing to the M10-P.

Edited yesterday at 04:57 PM by Reciprocity

[earleygallery]

I’m surprised at the criticism here, all I’ve read for many years on the forum has been wishes for an EVF M mount camera.

 

[Mobios]

Not going to jump into the fray on either side, but I think in general more models from Leica is a better thing, but I swear when I look at it visually I don't think "M with an EVF", I think "Q3 with interchangeable lenses". Totally ignoring the internal specs, of course.

[rob_w]

I was always hoping that Leica, when they eventually did this, would be smarter about focusing aids.  It's not hard these days for a camera to confirm focus at the selected focus point.  Nikon do this for example.  Focus peaking is just not sufficiently accurate.  Relying on magnification has the drawbacks we read about in Jono's and other early reviews and that we already know from using other mirrorless cameras.  Think Leica missed a trick here.  A calibrated rangefinder is still going to be faster and more certain.  The opportunity presented by an integrated EVF has been under-utilised.

[setuporg]

1 hour ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

None of this will matter until it comes in a color that goes with my ensemble!

And where's the Limited Edition Narwahl Skin Edition????

In the narwahl's belly of course, used by Jonah.  EVF works much better in the belly of a beast.  (And how did it end up there?  It's the most limited Narwahl Foreskin edition...)

Edited yesterday at 05:25 PM by setuporg

[trickness]

The suspension of disbelief required to desire this camera at this price is staggering.

The M rangefinder can (barely) justify its price because it is unique, because the rangefinder is singularly Leica and it has no competition. This thing has no IBIS, it's 9 grand for a fairy low tech camera with an M mount. Should have been priced like a Q - a 3 grand premium just to mount your M glass? LOL

 

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11 minutes ago, earleygallery said:

I’m surprised at the criticism here, all I’ve read for many years on the forum has been wishes for an EVF M mount camera.

 

I'm not.

One of the best things about the M system and way of making images is how second nature, fast framing and focusing an M RF body can be, it's a muscle memory pairing that stands out in the image making world. By not finding some way of innovating and therefore blending those hallmark approaches to image making into this first iteration of an EVF M body, some are feeling no compelling reason to add it to their M lineup, let alone replace an existing digital M camera with it. 

There is also genuine concern as to the impact it will have on both the financial well being of the company and roadmap of the M camera in the future.

Edited yesterday at 05:10 PM by Reciprocity

[SrMi]

13 minutes ago, earleygallery said:

I’m surprised at the criticism here, all I’ve read for many years on the forum has been wishes for an EVF M mount camera.

 

That happens every time Leica launches a camera :).