pedaes Posted February 25 Share #61 Posted February 25 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, jaapv said: , the second is the best Agree - so what do people see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted February 25 Share #62 Posted February 25 Three photographers-five opinions…. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted February 25 Share #63 Posted February 25 Okay, if you chose M11 profile and push vibrance and saturation you get this unnatural color look, too. But what was the white balance before you adjusted the sliders. All three do not shot the white balance out of camera. They show "custom". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix.View Posted February 25 Share #64 Posted February 25 On 24/02/2025 at 09:33, jgeenen said: DXO développe des profils individuels pour tous les modèles d'appareils photo. Par conséquent, les images développées par DXO ne montrent pas le rendu des couleurs d'origine d'un appareil photo, mais le rendu des couleurs du laboratoire DXO. And ? Exactly like Adobe or Camera Raw... the RAW must be interpreted ... no ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted February 26 Share #65 Posted February 26 (edited) vor 10 Stunden schrieb jaapv: Three photographers-five opinions…. To my understanding this is probably a highly overrated no-issue. Maybe I am just lucky that I do not dislike a bit of magenta. On the other hand we agree (and I think that we all do) that if the middle image (with no cast) is the best and subsequently Leica would offer 2 different AWB settings then Leica would do a good thing and they would have solved a problem that makes many users upset. Edited February 26 by M11 for me 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26 Share #66 Posted February 26 Maybe. But the fact that is constantly being ignored is that all postprocessing programs offer an infinite number of WB settings which can be set as camera default, offer the option of setting individual camera profiles, all programs have a different default interpretation of the camera preset and that each photographer has his own memory of the actual light at the time of shooting. How many AWB presets must Leica offer to satisfy all users? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeenen Posted February 26 Share #67 Posted February 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 10 Stunden schrieb Pix.View: And ? Exactly like Adobe or Camera Raw... the RAW must be interpreted ... no ? Sure. But DXO interprets differently and - as by their own advertising - focuses to correct camera and lens specific characteristics to match them to their lab measurements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted February 26 Share #68 Posted February 26 (edited) @jaapv Yes, that is certainly correct. I know how to manage WB. But some see it differently. I am a Canon shooter as well and here we have all WB options including 2 presets for AWB (a colder and a warmer AWB default). Leica might go that path as well. Edited February 26 by M11 for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted February 26 Share #69 Posted February 26 11 hours ago, don daniel said: you get this unnatural color look Can you please post an image so I know what you are talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26 Share #70 Posted February 26 Yes, quite a few other brands seem to have this. It is an unused option for me. Except for special conditions like sunsets or yellow-cast LED light I just leave any camera on default AWB. I do profile every new camera I get individually though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 26 Share #71 Posted February 26 The problem is that the warmth and coldness can be easily adjusted with a slider to taste (often this even corresponds to the author's intention to create the right mood) and it does not spoil the picture as much as the wrong tint (the result is not a very natural color), which is more difficult to adjust by eye on a large number of frames. In addition, the bug is sporadic and cannot be corrected by batch processing or a profile. Therefore, there are no complaints about other Leica cameras due to poor balance, as everything is usually fine with the tint there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jürgen Posted February 26 Share #72 Posted February 26 I really appreciate my Leica M11 and my Hasselblad X2D-100c equipment. The Leica M system is unique, compact, fast and stable in value. If you shoot with a Hasselblad camera and use the Hasselblad Phocus RAW converter, the Hasselblad Natural Colour Solution (HNCS) gives you excellent natural and true colours. I don't need to do anything with the RAW conversion and change the colour sliders. As much as I appreciate my Leica M camera, the Hasselblad colours are unrivalled compared to other camera systems. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted February 26 Share #73 Posted February 26 Long live Hasselblad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 26 Share #74 Posted February 26 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jürgen said: I really appreciate my Leica M11 and my Hasselblad X2D-100c equipment. The Leica M system is unique, compact, fast and stable in value. If you shoot with a Hasselblad camera and use the Hasselblad Phocus RAW converter, the Hasselblad Natural Colour Solution (HNCS) gives you excellent natural and true colours. I don't need to do anything with the RAW conversion and change the colour sliders. As much as I appreciate my Leica M camera, the Hasselblad colours are unrivalled compared to other camera systems. No one argues that Hasselblad has great and perhaps even the best color on the market, but Leica can also play with good color when it wants to (Q3 28/43, SL3). We want the same color on the M11 as the SL3 or Q3 Edited February 26 by Smogg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 26 Share #75 Posted February 26 What's a « wrong tint »? It is a tint i don't like i guess. But why would it be wrong for others as well? Do they share my own tastes? Strange all that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 26 Share #76 Posted February 26 47 minutes ago, lct said: What's a « wrong tint »? It is a tint i don't like i guess. But why would it be wrong for others as well? Do they share my own tastes? Strange all that... An wrong tint is a tint in a photograph that obviously does not correspond to how it was on the street at the time of shooting. Tastes have nothing to do with it. I will not undertake to evaluate the degree of incorrectness, but the fact of incorrectness itself has already been described and demonstrated many times and it is unlikely that such a large number of people have such serious problems with vision. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26 Share #77 Posted February 26 This does not take into account that our vision has a built-in AWB. The colours that your brain records are quite different from the objective colour and strongly biased towards what we know that they “should be” A camera, however, does not have such a mechanism. The photograph will produce an objective record of the colours as present, After processing the result will ideally be the colours that the photographer remembers, which can diverge substantially. Nothing to do with vision problems, just the way our individual vision works. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 26 Share #78 Posted February 26 6 minutes ago, jaapv said: This does not take into account that our vision has a built-in AWB. The colours that your brain records are quite different from the objective colour and strongly biased towards what we know that they “should be” A camera, however, does not have such a mechanism. The photograph will produce an objective record of the colours as present, After processing the result will ideally be the colours that the photographer remembers, which can diverge substantially. Nothing to do with vision problems, just the way our individual vision works. You are absolutely right, referring to the human brain. By correct tint I meant tint measured repeatedly under different conditions with a gray card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 26 Share #79 Posted February 26 17 hours ago, pedaes said: Agree - so what do people see? 1st pic has no magenta, 2nd pic a bit of it, and 3rd pic a wine tanker has wrecked on this beach 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 26 Share #80 Posted February 26 6 hours ago, jaapv said: This does not take into account that our vision has a built-in AWB. The colours that your brain records are quite different from the objective colour and strongly biased towards what we know that they “should be” A camera, however, does not have such a mechanism. The photograph will produce an objective record of the colours as present, After processing the result will ideally be the colours that the photographer remembers, which can diverge substantially. Nothing to do with vision problems, just the way our individual vision works. Sorry, I agree on most things with you, but not this 'individual' thing when it comes to color. If that were true, color magazines and photography books would be all over the map. There are industry standards that need to be followed. Of course, your individual vision may stray from that, but when it comes to reproduction, and that can mean just posting on the web, you had better get it right to be taken at all seriously. Of course one may very well use 'off' color for effect, but that is different than what we are talking about. And even then, one wants their purposefully off color when reproduced to look exactly as they purposefully created it, so that means adhering to a standard. Typically a middle of the day shot aiming to reproduce a scene exactly as it is isn't going to be overly magenta on purpose (yellow, perhaps, for effect). Sunsets, sunrises, ambient lighting and such are more open to interpretation. Problem is too many photographers aren't 'remembering' themselves but just letting the camera and/or LR/C1 etc cough it up for them, with no second thought, and if it's wrong, well, it's wrong. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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